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District 15 and Transportation Union Negotiations: Where Do They Stand?

Last week, negotiations between the District 15 Transportation Union and the District 15 negotiating team hit some bumps. Read on to see what happened, and when the groups plan to meet again.

Late last week, District 15 and the District 15 Transportation Union (DTU) sent out back-to-back statements, respectively, relating to the status of contract negotiations to possibly keep busing for D15 students in-house. Simultaneously, D15 also is considering outsourcing the service.  

Information on this subject, subsequently received in the last several days by Palatine Patch, causes the situation to remain somewhat, unclear.

What is verifiable is that on Monday, February 25, initial negotiations were held between D15 and the DTU.  A proposal was given to DTU by D15, which was to be followed up on at a meeting on Wednesday, February 27.

On February 27, the DTU came back and asked about a number of provisions in the previous contact that had been eliminated or stricken by D15. When that question was asked, according to members and negotiators for the DTU, the continual response from D15 was that a counter-offer was needed, with no explanation provided as to what was wrong with the previous contract and/or how it could be fixed.

“We asked ourselves, how we could provide a counter-offer on something we didn’t have a solid understanding of-and when we asked what was wrong with the previous contract, we were continually asked to provide a counter-offer and offered no further details,” said Carin Ulrich, DTU president.

Meanwhile, Tim Millar, District 15 school board president, said the negotiating team was expecting a counter-offer, as is presumed in normal contract negotiations, to be presented with a first offer from the DTU, but no response was given.

“They said they had no counter offer and weren’t going to present a counter,” Millar said.

That circumstance was explained differently by Amy Kunz, Illinois Education Association-UniServ director who handles negotiations for the DTU.

“This whole experience was entirely shocking, regarding the sheer scope of what had been eliminated from our previous agreement, 90 percent of it was gone,” said Kunz. “On Wednesday, we went back, asking the district if they could tell us the story, where the frustrations were, events that had happened.”

“The district didn’t come forward with any explanation. Their response was, we need your counter-offer,” she said.

Another circumstance at the Wednesday meeting related to two pre-scheduled meeting dates to continue negotiations, one on Monday, March 4 and the second on Friday, March 8.

“[The] DTU had declined to meet and honor [meeting] dates in March, they cancelled future negotiations and said they won’t meet until mid-April,” Millar said. “We are at a loss as to why.”

Ulrich said the DTU explained to the D15 negotiating team they needed more time to craft new language for a counter-offer, and to go back to their union membership. She added that everyone at the meeting got out their calendars out and agreed on four dates in April, including April 16, 18, 23 and 30 to continue the negotiations.  

Bids that are simultaneously being sought by , have not yet been provided to the DTU, according to Ulrich.

“We told District 15 we needed time to review the new bids and they were unable to let us know when the information would be available, but said they would get it to us,” Ulrich said. “That was understood.”

A final sticking point is the timeline viewed by both parties on when Reduction in Force (RIF) notices must be sent out to employees who provide transportation services if an agreement is not met.

“We have to send out notices by law to employees on whether or not they will have a job next year. We are hoping to avoid uncertaintly, and to have a contract negotiated by March,” Millar said.

Kunz said the dates on when employees are required to be notified are not as steadfast as the school district believes they need to be.

“The school district will be issuing RIF notices on April 1. The law says that if you are going to be outsourcing a group of employees, you have to give them 90 days,” Kunz said.

“They don’t have to use July 1 as that date, that date is a moving date. To say they’re going to RIF, it tells us that the school district is planning to outsource,” she said.

What the two sides do agree upon is that safety is a top priority for District 15 school children who utilize the bus services.

“This is about keeping our community safe, the safety of our children. Communication is the best answer,” Ulrich said.

“The obstacle is how to improve safety, that is where we are confused, we should have some common interest, but we are not able to have that discussion, they (DTU) are telling us they are not prepared to talk about the language in the contract to increase safety,” Millar said.

As stated, there are four dates scheduled in April between the two parties to meet again. In the meantime, the DTU plans to meet internally this month to try and formulate the counter-offer District 15 is asking for, according to Kunz.

Meanwhile, parents of District 15 students will have to wait and see whether or not busing will continue to be provided in-house, or if negotiations will break down to the point that outsourcing becomes the only choice for the school district.

Palatine Patch wants to know your thoughts. What do you think about this issue? Please weigh in, in our comments section below. 

I Think March 4, 2013 at 12:16 pm
It is extremely disappointing to see that the District 15 school board is behaving like a group of street thugs. First of all, why throw out the current contract? Why not use that as the starting point? Secondly, I notice on the board calendar that today's (3-4-13) meeting is scheduled for 8:30am. Aren't school bus drivers still on duty until 9am? Thirdly, just because the District 15 email labels something "myth" or "fact" doesn't make it so. Why is this negotiation being dragged off the bargaining table and into the public...does the board fear that public opinion on outsourcing might be against and they must set out to change that? Dirty political tactic...when you think you aren't winning, throw mud on the opposition. Come on, let's see some integrity and class, District 15. Our kids deserve it.
Martha Stamper March 4, 2013 at 12:29 pm
I hope this does not turn out to be the result of some private company promising the moon and the stars (perhaps with some board sweeteners) just, in the end, to siphon off tax dollars for inferior service (like Chicago street parking or Chicago redlight cameras)
D15parentanddriver March 4, 2013 at 02:28 pm
Thank you, Palatine Patch for getting this information out to the public. They need to know how their school board is acting. They are behaving like children, and if they don't like what they hear, they will "Take thier marbles, and go home". They are being completely unreasonable about the time table, and refuse to give answers necessary to continue negotiating in good faith. With 90% of the current contract eliminated (view the contract here) http://www.scribd.com/doc/127284466/CCSD15-Board-First-Proposal-2-25-13
how in the world can they expect and demand that an agreement will be reached by March 31? It's like giving a student a book report assignment, and expecting them to finish it overnight.
D15parentanddriver March 4, 2013 at 02:43 pm
Martha, sadly this is usually the case, as a school district in Pennsylvania found out the hard way when they outsourced to Durham School Services Here is the article: http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/08/bus_outsourcing_hiring_from_20.html
And Cincinnati had the similar problem with First Student..Here is that article http://www.local12.com/news/local/story/Local-12-Investigation-Into-First-Student-Bus/7ks9PD8vPkiwgKTZPUEckw.cspx
Nancy Groch March 4, 2013 at 03:39 pm
Very sad. I was extremely disappointed in the enews from the district. The "facts" were misleading, and seemed printed only to aggravate the situation.
I am a very grateful parent to the bus drivers my kids have had over the past 13 years. Most have been wonderful, thoughtful, and very responsible. This means a lot to parents especially of those with younger kids or kids with disabilities. No private company will be able to ensure the safety of the students nearly as well. D15 drivers are fellow parents, volunteers, and community members. Why would we give their jobs, at no benefit to any taxpayer, to others outside our community? This is beginning to smell of a vendetta and the D15 negotiating team does not seem to be negotiating in good faith. It's a joke to say this is about money or safety, because if it was our drivers would clearly have the upper hand in the negotiations. Nearby districts show that privatization of school busing had a negative impact; on community, and taxpayers. Just ask Schaumburg.
upton March 4, 2013 at 05:01 pm
well said nancy
Stephen Bramer March 4, 2013 at 05:15 pm
The district reps complain that the union isn't prepared to discuss issues around child saftey, when a number of the sections District 15 deleted from the old DTU contract were geared to do just that.
Norma Holmes March 4, 2013 at 06:07 pm
I don't understand why the DTU just didn't counter D15's offer with all the stuff that had been deleted. Can anyone explain ? It seems like that would have been the quickest and most forthright response that would have continued the negotiations.
Robert Bergman March 4, 2013 at 07:46 pm
It's good to have a school board acting like a school board. The old board would have given away the store once again.
Time for everyone to do their job.
Sub-Bus March 4, 2013 at 10:02 pm
Rolling Meadow parent and husband of a driver
I went to todays meeting only two board members were there and Mr. Millar seemed lost he needed advice on how to run the meeting there were not enough member to have quaroom. Amy Kunz was reading a letter after roll call and Mr. Thompson was on the phoneand interrupted her letter he had to call the District attorney to make sure the meeting was legal pryor to him calling board members were passing notes to each other very unprofesional this is your district board a bunch of morans that dont know a thing about Roberts Rules and how to run a meeting.
Abdul Javid March 5, 2013 at 12:58 am
Am one of the 9 candidate ( order # 6 ) for April 9th, 2013 D15 elections, it is very sad state of affairs in terms managing this; contracts conversations should be sensitively and carefully handled and communicated for many reasons and we as parents, ( I have 2 kids in D15 that use bus services every day ) are not getting good feeling about the way the board is governing. Its time we put parents as board members. Same with Early / Late release issue, which could have been better handled. These situations are clearly indicating we need better professionals who are parents should on D15 board.
Bucephalus March 5, 2013 at 01:22 am
Would you outsource the buses?
Nancy Groch March 5, 2013 at 02:22 am
It is always easy to disagree, but the real challenge is to state a solution. What is your position or recommendation on these negotiations?
Abdul Javid March 5, 2013 at 03:34 am
I have listed safety as one my key issue for this election in Daily Herald questionnaire back in Jan ending, which was recently made public to all.
http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20130215/submitted/302158608/ You can also see other candidate perspective as well. The numbers changes and re bids happened in Feb. I will be lying all if i stand up and say, I have solution for current situation. Given opportunity I will make sure, I work with other board members & all parties involved and try to be part of solution not problem. For current situation I would suggest/recommend DTU given time they are requesting for counter offer if we are not getting into any legal issues time wise. You can read my comments on Early/Late school situation on Patch as well. I did sign the online petition initiated by Lisa Szczupa for early friday release , my and my wife and parents/friends i talk to feel early Friday release appropriate for given that opportunity but ultimately we have accept whatever committee decides based on resurvey results and analysis. Board members are volunteering for their time to serve community, I humbly request we respect them as individuals and focus our disagreements on issues.
D B L D March 5, 2013 at 03:58 am
Myth,Fact or Tim Mi LIES your choice
the system March 5, 2013 at 01:50 pm
the old board gave away the store, but this board sold all the buildings and this board just has different names from the OLD school board. Who has been on the OLD school board?
BJ March 5, 2013 at 03:55 pm
Based upon information and comments given, speculation on either side is a very dangerous position to take. Understanding that D15 is a public entity, and knowing that information is free for public viewing, to me, there is one way of getting this rectified. While the following suggestion will not be a popular or comfortable position for the present school board, the opportunity for minutes to be published post the conclusion of every bargaining meeting between the union and the board, by a third party will shed much needed light into who is saying what. These said minutes would need to be signed off on by both the union and the school board. If there is push-back by either side then a red flag would certainly be raised as to the honesty and integrity of that party.
Abdul Javid March 5, 2013 at 05:25 pm
BJ, very good comments.. thanks
Sheila March 5, 2013 at 05:41 pm
I can't answer this on behalf of the DTU negotiation team but I will simply state that with the striking of nearly the entire contract, which was negotiated 3 years ago by the very board who would now like to eliminate over 90% of it's contents, this must have left the DTU team baffled and completely stunned at their brute like behavior and unwillingness to negotiate a contract that appeared to be more than acceptable over the last 3 years. It is crystal clear that some of the Dist 15 Board members are not willing to negotiate in good faith because they have already decided they will outsource regardless. Ask yourself "Why, what is this really all about?" It is quite apparent a vendetta is in the works. But why? Budget and safety have nothing to do with what is really going on here. It has proven over and over again that Dist 15 Transportation is far more cost effective than privatization for the district as well as the tax payers and the safety of the students are far superior to any other. We as neighbors, parents, tax payers, community leaders, etc. need to step up and start becoming more involved in the bettering of this community we call home, and stop letting things like this Just Happen!
Sheila March 5, 2013 at 06:14 pm
Do some research of the school boards decisions over the past 10 years. Dig deep! Most of the decisions have required money from tax payers to fund many incompetent administrators to run our once "Blue Ribbon" or "Nationally Top Ranked" school district into nothing more than yet another school district, providing more gifts for the "Big Shots" all the while losing site of what they really should be concerned about "OUR CHILDREN". The children continue to suffer the lack of education they deserve so that they can be empowered to "do" or "be" anything they set their minds to. The Board has made significantly poor decisions time and time again for the good of their personal agendas. Let me remind adults out there.......these children are our future, we must take responsibility to see that they have nothing less than the best leaders behind them. Electing individuals to serve on a school board should not be that of a political nature. The individuals who expect to hold a position when important decisions are to be made, must be unbiased and put their personal feelings aside for the good of the majority in the community they wish to serve. There has been far too much political agenda going on over the past many years.
Sheila March 5, 2013 at 06:44 pm
Board members do indeed volunteer their time. I myself have served on several boards over the past twenty years. However, giving of your time should be because you are passionate about the organization and will serve morally and ethically and not to benefit a further agenda. If a person chooses to be an elected member, they need to remember those who elected them and for what reason they are there. Not all decisions are easy to make nor will you please everyone. You must be honest, and have a clear knowledge of the issues before deciding. There is no room for deceitful or deceptive behavior.
Abdul Javid March 5, 2013 at 09:25 pm
Sheila
Totally agree with you. Am serving and served non profit boards. If elected members have been unsuccessful for various reasons time to move on and let others take shot at it. For community the process in place every 2 yrs to elect.

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