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Poll: Should Illinois Allow Concealed Carry?

The Illinois House is considering a bill that would allow licensed individuals to carry concealed firearms.

 

Illinois remains the only state in the country that does not allow licensed individuals to carry concealed firearms. A bill in the House could change that.

House Bill 5745 would allow the Illinois State Police to issue a license to individuals allowing them to carry a firearm. The bill also sets forth the requirements and qualifications individuals would have to meet to be granted a license.

The Huffington Post reports that gun rights advocates have repeatedly tried to get a concealed carry law passed. Last year a similar measure failed by six votes.

As the Capitol Fax blog pointed out, the issue has pitted downstate elected officials against their Chicago peers.

Opponents of concealed carry point to situations such as the Trayvon Martin shooting. In the Florida case, Martin was pursued by neighborhood watch leader George Zimmerman, who was carrying a firearm. There was a confrontation and Zimmerman shot and killed Martin, claiming self-defense. Zimmerman has been charged with second degree murder.

However, advocates of concealed carry say that the law will reduce crime and that it provides for licensing requirements.

Among concealed carry advocates are Suzanna Hupp, a survivor of a mass shooting in Killeen, Texas in 1991 in which her parents were killed. Hupp reached into her purse for her gun during the shooting, but she had left it in her car, obeying Texas law at the time. Twenty-three people were killed in the shooting.

Me July 29, 2012 at 12:35 PM
"Being mentally ill is not a crime in the United States-hence, police cannot just make an arbitrary arrest because someone is not acting normally. The courts have tied our hands. Sad, but fact." - Richard Schulte
Richard Schulte July 29, 2012 at 02:23 PM
Since we're doing quotes now, how about these quotes: "I see that you've okayed my idea for your new line of exploding cigar wrappers for the Obama market, now that Wile E. Coyote has joined the Obama campaign: • "The private sector is doing just fine." • "You didn't build that" • "We tried our plan - and it worked." " Clarice Feldman Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/07/wile_e_coyote_joins_obama_campaign_team.html#ixzz221MZwPAW Rasmussen has Romney up by 5 percentage points at 49 percent of likely voters. The Republicans will hold the House. The Republicans will take 58 seats in the Senate. Senator Brown will defeat Elizabeth Warren. Governor Scott Walker won the recall election. And Chief Justice John Roberts handed President Obama and the Democrats an exploding cigar. Mind if I light that exploding cigar for you, Mr. President?
Guido McGinty July 29, 2012 at 03:24 PM
http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2012/07/james_holes_tactical_gear_assault_vest_threats.php There are many other sources. Yet another reason to distrust police/media/authority. Their lies traveled halfway around the world before the truth got out of bed.
Guido McGinty July 29, 2012 at 03:27 PM
"And since, in my eyes, conceal carry laws don't affect the crime numbers at all either way, getting rid of guns is a good place to start." Check your eyes. How do you plan on getting rid of guns?
Guido McGinty July 29, 2012 at 03:30 PM
"You don't want my beliefs forced on you, but that very idea is what our country lives on." Yes, free people are all too familiar with coercion in this country. Every time you vote for a republican or democrat, you're inflicting violence on your fellow citizens. The only moral action is to abstain from voting. "will you be able to be a civil minded as I am?" Considering your penchant for coercion and violence, this question assumes facts not in evidence.
Guido McGinty July 29, 2012 at 03:34 PM
Brian, with the number of guns that are already out there, it takes a weapons-grade faith in the Total State to believe that they can disarm everyone. Progressivism is a religion. They have substituted State for God.
Guido McGinty July 29, 2012 at 04:43 PM
It's funny because it's true: http://reason.com/blog/2012/07/28/idaho-libertarian-billboard-comparing-ob
Richard Schulte July 29, 2012 at 06:16 PM
Guido, I have to disagree with you there. President Obama has killed way more Americans and damaged way more American lives than did the Aurora theater shooter. And the Aurora shooter had an excuse-the Aurora shooter was mentally ill. Obama has no excuse for what he has done to America. Worst.President.Ever.
Bruce Harvey July 29, 2012 at 07:11 PM
Hey Gun Guys, In case you missed it (or just want to ignore it) One of your Buddies up in Mass. (Rommney land) shot his two kids last nite---but only killed one---looks like he needed more training on gun use.-----When will it be ENOUGH!!!!!!
Richard Schulte July 29, 2012 at 08:16 PM
This is a little off topic, but still interesting: "The Cato Institute disclosed that in 2008, the average compensation in pay and benefits for federal civilian employees was $119,900 a year, compared to $59,900 in private industry." Source: Newsmax There has been no recession if you're a Federal Government employee.
Brian L. July 29, 2012 at 08:31 PM
So again, you are saying to not try anything, just make sure you can shoot him first. Great plan. I can't imagine our state teaching that....did Jesus teach us that one?
Brian L. July 29, 2012 at 08:36 PM
Ok, so we can base off of another country for drug use/legalization, but we can't look at what Australia has done for gun restrictions?
Brian L. July 29, 2012 at 08:43 PM
So you chose not to refute the stats on violent crime. Good deal. I never claimed that it would be easy or an overnight process. You want me to outline an entire process knowing that I can't. Some ideas though would be to start with baseline distribution. As a country we would need to better watch where these weapons go once they leave a factory or cross our borders. After you have a better control on that we would have to institute buy backs and incentives to get people to give them up. Fines and forfeiture of weapons if found to be carrying or in possession of the gun. And I'm sure there are other ways. Yes, we would have many people not give up their weapons and carry them like a badge of honor. Again, it would take time to change our culture of violence, but there is always a starting place.
Brian L. July 29, 2012 at 08:50 PM
But David, there are many instances pointing to people carrying out these crimes full well knowing that someone might have a gun. Conceal carry might help some instances, but not all. But if they are going to happen either way, why do we need a gun that might go off in our kids face? That might be used to accidentally shoot a neighbor, a friend, a family member? So Guido, are you in favor of an anarchistic society? I may have misinterpreted your thoughts, but it certainly seems that way. And I missed my violence. I guess I'll accept coercion but I think that means that someone on the board has succumb to what I am saying and now dislikes guns. Is it you? You can be honest...it's the internet where we can all argue behind a screen.
David Greenberg July 29, 2012 at 10:14 PM
"...there are many instances pointing to people carrying out these crimes full well knowing that someone might have a gun. Conceal carry might help some instances, but not all." Some criminals are dumber than others, while others want to simply commit suicide through proxy. "But if they are going to happen either way, why do we need a gun that might go off in our kids face? That might be used to accidentally shoot a neighbor, a friend, a family member?" Guns just don't 'go off' in someone's face. Someone has to pull the trigger to make it happen. We've talked about keeping kids safe elsewhere in this thread. We've talked about proper training. Still, despite our best efforts, someone could get shot accidentally - that's a risk that we understand and accept when we own a firearm, and one we're willing to accept because the BENEFIT of being able to defend ourselves, our family, our friends, and our property when we need to outweighs the potential risk. Some people may not feel this way, and they're free to not have a firearm, but they don't get to make that decision for me.
David Greenberg July 29, 2012 at 10:23 PM
Again, no friend of mine, and no one really knows what happened for sure. There's one guy dead, a kid shot and killed, and another kid shot but at the hospital. Tragic to be certain, but we don't have all the details. And again, even if he couldn't have gotten a firearm - if he'd wanted to commit murder, there's many ways to make that happen without a firearm. So I seriously doubt that anyone bent on committing murder would be put off of that crime just because they didn't have access to a firearm. It's not the gun, it's the user - put the blame where it belongs. And no, there's no way to prevent such tragedies by banning this or that...
Guido McGinty July 29, 2012 at 10:40 PM
Brian, I didn't say you coerced anyone. I'm saying that you support coercion: "You don't want my beliefs forced on you, but that very idea is what our country lives on." Coercion is violence. Ergo, you support violence.
Guido McGinty July 29, 2012 at 10:42 PM
I'm saying that you need to repeal the 2nd amendment to ban guns.
Guido McGinty July 29, 2012 at 10:56 PM
"I wonder if it will make any difference if I point out that about every couple of weekends the gangbangers/criminals in Chicago murder the same number of people or more than the Aurora CO shooter" Despite the fact that the city of Chicago already has a de facto gun ban, I can't see leftist proglodytes making the obvious observation. To a leftist, this just means that we need to double-ban guns and have faith in the benevolent State.
Bruce Harvey July 29, 2012 at 11:07 PM
Rationalization to the NTH degree----It's the GUN stupid. All your baloney about saving your family with your gun is just that BALONEY. I can see you being the first one under the bed if danger rang the door bell. I simply ask AGAIN how many more kids like this have too DIE---SHOT---GUN---before we say enough???
David Greenberg July 29, 2012 at 11:33 PM
"Rationalization to the NTH degree----It's the GUN stupid. All your baloney about saving your family with your gun is just that BALONEY. I can see you being the first one under the bed if danger rang the door bell. I simply ask AGAIN how many more kids like this have too DIE---SHOT---GUN---before we say enough???" Sorry if you can't accept the argument that rationalizes firearm ownership Bruce, and it's truly unfortunate that you feel it's "baloney" that someone would want to save their family, etc. with a gun. I can assure you that if danger rears its ugly head, I will be certain to confront it head-on to the best of my abilities in order to protect and defend myself, my family, loved ones, friends, neighbors, and property, as would many other law-abiding persons that I know. You can stomp your feet, shake your fists and yell "ENOUGH!" but unfortunately Bruce, it's not going to make a bit of difference. Bad things happen, and wishing they wouldn't won't stop them from reoccurring. People get killed in a variety of ways, we'd like to wish it wouldn't happen - but it does. Banning firearms WON'T stop people from getting killed, but it will GET LOTS OF US killed through criminal activity or a tyrannical government gone amok - history has proven this time-and-time again, and most recently the miserable failure that is the Chicago Gun Control Ordinances and lack of Concealed Carry here in Illinois.
McCloud July 30, 2012 at 01:21 AM
No law passed no matter how strict will do anything to eliminate the number of guns out there. This is the problem these liberals have, they actually think the name on the law is sufficient to vote for it. Laws have been passed in cities like Washington DC, Detroit and Chicago, do you see murders by gun reduced? All of the passion in the world to eliminate guns by statute will do Jack Sqwat towards eliminating the death by guns. Grab some reality liberal.
Jim Carfagno July 30, 2012 at 05:52 AM
Guido, that article says NOTHING about what armor he was wearing. The ONLY reference at all is the photo which allegedly shows a VEST that matches the receipt of what he bought. This was NOT the only item he purchased. I suggest you look at the photos of what was WEARING when he was arrested. Also I cannot continue to discuss things with you when you continue to say such irrational things. I have a number of family members who have been or are now members of the police. Just like in every walk of life there are good and bad people who make up any group, organization or force. However your blanket accusation against the police I find very disturbing and offensive. The same holds true for your comments on government and voting. You say we must follow the Constitution yet you refuse to participate or contribute to said government. You seem to be the exact type of person who should NOT have a weapon. Many of your comments seem to show that you have a problem with authority and a belief that YOU know better.
Jim Carfagno July 30, 2012 at 06:34 AM
Richard you assume way too much. Comparing England in 1776 to fighting in todays world is a joke. The British never took the fight here seriously and never committed their full power of their forces here. Mainly because they were in use in other conflicts around their empire. Truth is if it were not for the help of the French specifically their navy chances are slim that we would have won our independence. The same holds true for the USSR as well as us in Afghanistan. Neither ever used the full force of its power. The chances of any citizen army of 20-30 million ever being raised, organized, trained, fed, and led in any fashion against a fully trained, equipped standing army, navy and air force is truly beyond rationality. Hell, the South tried it and that didn't work out too well for them did it? But once again you are trying to change the point of the discussion. My point was and still is that a citizen militia would not and could not stop our military. Thus the claim we need to own guns in order to protect ourselves against tyranny is for the most part obsolete. Your comment about the military willing to fight the left but not the right is childish and does not merit comment.
Jim Carfagno July 30, 2012 at 06:48 AM
Richard, every intelligent person who hear what the President said knows and understands what he said. Every fact checker I have read fully concludes that Romney has taken the Presidents statements out of context. This isn't anything new either, Romney has been using such tactics for more than a year now. Your claims about what the President THINKS is again nonsense. He is no different than Castro, seriously? That alone tells me how totally blind you are to facts or reality. But I wouldn't expect anything different from you considering your past baseless comments.
Jim Carfagno July 30, 2012 at 07:10 AM
LOL OK this is all become far too boring for me. I laugh at these silly comments about the President and your childish needs to play army with your guns. Ever wonder what would happen if everyone owned a gun and could carry them where ever they wanted, how would anyone be able to tell just WHO the "bad guys" were? Wouldn't you have to shoot first and ask questions later? As far as the election is concerned, as long as the President has the strong support of women, Latinos and African Americans there will be no way for Romney to win. The polls you are quoting only sample land line phones. I suggest you look at the polls that take an average of all polls which show the President not just ahead in the popular vote but well ahead in the electoral count. Given the problems the President is facing Romney should be much further ahead but instead he has not added one single state to his side in over 8 months. Romney is currently behind in IA, WI, MI, OH, PA, CO, NV, and even in FL and VA. To win he needs to take all of those states, the President only 5 of those 9 states. Anyway I am moving on, no one is changing anyones mind here and there is really no new information to be gained from hearing the same things over and over again. Keep your powder dry men.....Im sure you will want to have all you fire power ready for when the President wins again in November and he "come after your guns" lol
Richard Schulte July 30, 2012 at 11:17 AM
A letter from an Obama supporter: "When I heard that you had a fun raiser for Michele Bachman I almost fell out of my chair. How you could support this woman who is an absolute moron is beyond me. She doesn't support woman rights, gay rights (even though her husband is gay) and is a total racist. After her latest comments about Muslims you should be embarrassed that you support this of fear and lies!! I feel proud to be an American that people showed you how we really feel about your support of Bachman and the Republican puppet Mitt Romney. He was not even endorsed by your sorry party but was the last man standing! Bachman, Santorum, Gingrich, the moron from Texas and the pathetic pizza man? Those are your candidates who represent your values? Please go take a hard look in the mirror and ask yourself...Who am I? You are a pathetic human being if you support the same values these people stand for. I just wish I knew Michele Bachman was at your house. I would have loved to meet such a worthless human being and tell her so. Cheers and to four more years of a man with character, integrity, heart and intelligence. OBAMA! " Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/07/how_to_fight_democrat_intimidation.html#ixzz226RITBT7 When the name calling starts, you know who won the debate. Romney wins in a Republican landslide. The 2012 election will be a repeat of 2010.
Richard Schulte July 30, 2012 at 11:25 AM
Fight back: "So, from now on, don't play the politically correct game. Throw it right back at them. It's violent, offensive, repulsive, intrusive, racist, bigoted, intolerant, or divisive. It sets a bad example for the young, it violates our rights, and it threatens not only a civil society, but a free society as well." Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/07/how_to_fight_democrat_intimidation.html#ixzz226UqeIHu NRA-thumbs up. TEA-thumbs up. Obama-Worst.President.Eve.
Richard Schulte July 30, 2012 at 02:05 PM
"President Obama says very strange things, especially for a guy who presumably wants very badly to be re-elected. As if it wasn’t enough that he last week went off on small business owners for having pride in their accomplishments, this week he actually told a rally audience in reference to the economy – with a straight face – “We tried our plan, and it worked.” " "He [Obama] is always right. The problem is the rest of you – you ungrateful business owners, you rascally Republicans, you dumb people who don’t really know how much worse it would have been without Obama’s steady hand at the wheel." Herman Cain Folks like Bruce Harvey, Jim Carfagno and Brian are always right. They are smarter than the rest of us. Ronald Reagan-dumb. George Bush-dumb. Dick Cheney-evil. Mitt Romney-dumb and extremely wealthy. Schulte-mentally ill. That's the sum total of their arguments. Hell, I'm convinced by that argument. And to prove I'm not a racist, I'll even tell the pollsters I'll be voting for Obama. Worst. President.Ever.
Guido McGinty July 30, 2012 at 05:33 PM
Gun prohibition is doomed to fail, exhibit # 3,783: http://reason.com/blog/2012/07/30/do-3d-printers-make-prohibitions-impossi

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