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Poll: Should Chicago Have a Casino?

Illinois lawmakers are again looking to expand gambling options in Illinois.

 

Illinois lawmakers are considering plans to add more casinos as the state continues to grapple with budget woes.

The latest proposals would place casinos in Danville, Rockford and Waukegan. Another proposal would allow for slot machines to be operated at race tracks like Arlington Park, the Alton Daily News reported. The bills are sponsored by Terry Link (D-Waukegan) in the Senate and in the House.

Gov. Pat Quinn has called the legislation to, once again, expand gambling in Illinois "a distraction."

Meanwhile, behind the scenes, Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel has been pushing for a Chicago casino. A Chicago casino is something that officials in the city long have sought. As far back at 1993, Mayor Daley proposed an $800 million development that would have included five gambling boats on the Chicago River.

Critics of gambling expansion say that the are tremendous societal costs related to gambling addiction. A Chicago casino also could take business away from other area casinos in Illinois. Others point out that Illinois' state budget hasn't improved in the years since riverboat casinos first were approved in 1991 and that casino revenue tends to not keep pace with inflation.

"It's only short term. It's really not good fiscal policy," The Christian Sciene Monitor quoted Ralph Martire, executive director of the Center for Tax and Budget Accountability in May 2011.

Proponents of a Chicago casino argue that a casino in the city would attract tourists and convention goers, drawing money from outside of the state unlike many of the downstate and suburban casinos.

Life is Good May 21, 2012 at 12:40 am
Rahm is nothing but an Obama prodigy that can't think for himself.
David Greenberg May 21, 2012 at 01:43 am
To some extent, sure, people like to attend live events. But as the disadvantages of doing so increase, the interest wanes. Unfortunately, I don't see any of the disadvantages decreasing anytime too soon. Some disadvantages:
* Travel headaches-traffic, tolls, high gas prices, parking costs OR public transportation headaches such as high fares, undesirable elements causing problems, vehicles that aren't on time or break down, "security theater" delays, etc. * Ticket costs:TicketMaster (or LiveNation) fees, surcharges, inability to get the tickets one wants for a particular day, having to deal with StubHub users * Long lines:To get in, to leave. To go to the restroom. To get food. * Food prices:High. Ridiculously high because every entity has their fingers in the pie and wants a cut of what's in your wallet. * Restrooms-run the gamut from super clean, to well, let's just not talk about that giant trough... * Crime: Pick pockets, thugs, panhandlers, street solicitors, thieves, gang bangers... * Taxes: On tickets, soda, polystyrene carry-out items, etc. But for the sake of argument, let's assume that people will set aside these disadvantages for now and attend. That's great. What's it do for the local area or Governmental bodies that are expected to provide police/fire and infrastructure. Do they make money on the deal, or do they end up financing it for the venue owners as is so often the case? If these venues can't stand on their own, let them close.
Cindy Tessman May 21, 2012 at 02:02 am
No it is not a good idea at all. Cook County can not handle the money that comes in now. All it will create is for more crooks to dip into the pot and screw us. The Lottery is suppose to go to the schools............if that is so then why does the schools have to cut back in activities for the kids now. This state nor county hasnt a clue how to handle money.......they only know how to take the money!!! NO CASINO for CHICAGO!!!!!!!!
Craig Apelbaum May 21, 2012 at 02:25 am
Yes. Chicago, Illinois should have casinos because it brings money into ytheir economy.
Earl Weiss May 21, 2012 at 11:15 am
Lets keep sending Chicago people away to spend their money, and get jobs everywhere else. Let Indiana and the burbs get all the Chicago money and jobs they can. Keep raisng Chicago taxes to raise revenue and Chase more people and businesses away to friendlier tax areas. Chigao even has a Minority and Women usiness owner set aside that sends lots of buisness outside the city. No preference for Chicago buisness. Chicag needs to be less crowded, less business, morte depressed real estate prices. Yep, encouraging people, jobs and business to leave is a great thing.
Jose May 21, 2012 at 11:25 am
many people are going to gamble , so why not keep the money close to home...
Jose May 21, 2012 at 11:26 am
waukegan.
Jose May 21, 2012 at 11:32 am
MARIJUANA ??? I FAVOR LEGALIZING POT, WHY ?? PEOPLE WHO SMOKE POT ARE GOING TO BUY IT , LEGAL --OR--NOT...LEGALIZE IT AND TAX IT....IF WE DID THAT ? EVERY STATES DEBT WILL BE GONE AND THE MEXICANS CARTELS---GANGS WILL BE OUT OF BUSINESS...ALSO GROW THE POT IN THE U.S. ONLY SO THE STATES CAN REGULATED..
Jose May 21, 2012 at 11:36 am
PUT IT IN WAUKEGAN, EASY EXCESS FROM THE NORTH---FROM THE SOUTH...RIGHT NEXT TO 43--41--94..BETWEEN WAUKEGAN AND GURNEE
Jose May 21, 2012 at 11:41 am
A CASINO IN CHICAGO ?? MANY PEOPLE WON'T GO TO CHICAGO..MANY ARE AFRAID TO EVEN DRIVE TO CHICAGO...I'M A U.S. MARINE AND I WON'T DRIVE TO CHICAGO ....I ONLY DRIVE TO A CUBS GAME...
WENT TO CHICAGO FOOD FEST I WAS STOPPED AND ASK FOR MONEY ABOUT 5 TIMES AND I TOOK THE TRAIN TO AVOID DRIVING AND GETTING LOST....THERE MANY CASINOS CLOSE TO CHICAGO, BUT NO CASINOS AROUND GURNEE AREA.
Jose May 21, 2012 at 11:46 am
RIGHT NOW PEOPLE FROM KENOSHA------GURNEE-----AREAS GO TO MILWAUKEE--WISCONSIN CASINO'S ...TO JOLIET CASINO'S ..BUT IF WE HAD A CASINO IN THE WAUKEGAN---GURNEE AREA THE MONEY WOULD STAY HERE.
Jose May 21, 2012 at 11:48 am
HOW ABOUT A CASINO FOR CHICAGO AND ONE FOR WAUKEGAN...I KNOW SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SAY NO IS A BAD IDEA...DO YOU WANT YOUR PROPERTY TAXES TO CONTINUE TO GO UP ???
MS May 21, 2012 at 12:49 pm
David, the attendance at this past weekend's Preakness prove that people are willing to overlook all of those factors as much now as ever. Arlington can have that excitement. And yes, it will far more than pay for the small adjustment in added services from police, fire etc. It just needs to ability to compete at the level of other tracks that are permitted to have slots.
By the way, you seem to be a small government kind of guy. So am I. This is a case of smaller government being necessary. Let them get out of the way and allow Arlington to shape their revenue as they feel is best, which in this case is increased gaming. It's a win-win.
Bonnie Quirke May 21, 2012 at 03:24 pm
Do $ make it right? Should we jump off a roof just because some people do? Gambling is not good for families or individuals.
Tony Kovacs May 21, 2012 at 04:53 pm
I have nothing against casinos per se. Sure some people are irresponsible gamblers as some people eat too many donuts. We can't regulate all behavior. Casinos are just a form of entertainment when used properly and do generate revenues for the state.. But we must consider some stategies behind casino placement. We can't oversaturate the market because some casinos may not survive. That is why there is government regulation. A Chicago casino would hurt our Joliet, Aurora, Elgin casinos as did the Des Plaines one and the first three cities got casinos to help their economies. They need Chicago customers. Chicago does not need one for its economy. So we must evaluate carefully as to placement. And maybe some Chicago gamblers don't go to the suburbs anyway but would go to Chicago casino. As to slots at the tracks, probably a good idea as that will help the struggling racing industry to survive. Let's keep "morality" out of this and investigate business strategy.
Bonnie Quirke May 21, 2012 at 05:03 pm
Does economy trump morality?
MS May 21, 2012 at 05:14 pm
Should one's morality dictate others? What happened to choice and freedom?
Bonnie Quirke May 21, 2012 at 05:17 pm
Are You Your brothers keeper, Matt? Do you believe in the common good?
MS May 21, 2012 at 05:56 pm
Bonnie, I believe in personal freedom. I own me and you own you. One person's "good" is another person's evil. When we start legislating each others' "good" that's when we run into problems.
Earl Weiss May 21, 2012 at 06:24 pm
If you feel gambling is immoral, that's fine with me, so long as you don't try to impose your feelings on me and others who do not share in that feeling.
Bonnie Quirke May 21, 2012 at 06:44 pm
So-- Let's see if I feel killng is not ok but you feel it is ok- is it ok? Let's be honest we all know there are problems with gambling. If I read you right that is ok with you because of choice and freedom- right.
MS May 21, 2012 at 07:06 pm
No, killing infringes on the rights of others. I own me and you own you. Killing takes that ownership away. I believe in the whole life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness thing. Now tell where my right to gamble my own money infringes on your rights stated above.
Earl Weiss May 21, 2012 at 07:38 pm
I think you are on the right track. If you are a Vegan, you should not be allowed to ban stores from selling meat, Fish and Fowl. See how extreme arguments easily fail?
David Greenberg May 21, 2012 at 08:21 pm
Perhaps, perhaps not. As those disadvantages grow, people are less and less apt to ignore them. However, the Preakness event seems to be more of a one-off situation, i.e., it's not happening every weekend.
Where are the other tracks that are permitted to have slot machines located? In Illinois or not? Personally, I could care less if someone wants to gamble - that's generally their business, and unless it's having an effect on something funded by the government, the Government ought to keep their nose out of it. But those effects are varied: Criminal activity as a direct (people stealing to fund their gambling habit) or indirect (people robbing cars in the casino parking lot)result of the gambling, societal costs (people not feeding their kids because of their gambling habit - so they then go on welfare or food stamps - funded by the rest of us), quality of life (not everyone may want to live right next to a casino or have to deal with the traffic/public crazies caused by it). The games definitely need to be fair - otherwise you have a whole different slew of issues that come up. So a certain amount of governmental regulation is likely always going to be needed when we're talking about gambling.
David Greenberg May 21, 2012 at 08:26 pm
As for Arlington - let's assume that there's no other racetracks in IL with slot machines, and the whole reason for their declining revenues is because horse racing just isn't that attractive to people any longer. So we bring in Slot Machines to Arlington as an attractant - what if the horse racing continues to decline? Do we then end up with a de facto casino full of slot machines at Arlington and no horses? What happens in that scenario?
If they want to give up on the horse racing and have a slot machine hall, ok fine - let's have that conversation. Maybe that's something the surrounding community is willing to have, maybe not. Maybe the Racetrack gets replaced by something else entirely... But it seems to me that they're suffering from a declining business model, and they're trying to prop it up (and perhaps eventually replace it) with slot machines... As for small government - I'm in favor of right-sizing the government so it takes care of the "gotta haves", and leaves the nice-to-haves to the private sector.
David Greenberg May 21, 2012 at 08:28 pm
If you want your property taxes to go down, then the individual taxing bodies need to learn how to SPEND LESS, DO LESS, OFFER LESS. Focus on the "gotta have's", cut those costs as much as possible, forget the rest. Let the private sector deal with the "nice to haves".
A casino isn't going to solve the problem of property taxes. We were sold a similar story when Illinois started the Lottery - it's solve all our educational funding problems, blah blah blah. We've seen how well that's worked out *cough* NOT! *cough*.
David Greenberg May 21, 2012 at 08:30 pm
Gambling isn't immoral per se. Some of the side effects of it may be, but with few exceptions, it's not really the government's business.
David Greenberg May 21, 2012 at 08:34 pm
Bonnie, this is a specious argument and you know it. Killing does not equal gambling - two completely different issues as Matt has said. If someone wants to gamble, let them. If they're harming their family or kids - I think the government should have something to say about it because those persons haven't made the choice to gamble away their lives. But if they're on their own - big whoop. So long as they're not asking for governmental healthcare, food, or assistance - we should stay out of their decision. If some group doesn't agree with that position, then they're perfectly free to create a foundation, and offer assistance to those they consider in need of it - but they can fund that foundation with their own or solicited donations and leave the rest of us out of it.
fred May 21, 2012 at 08:43 pm
Bonnie if gambling isa morality issue. WHY DO CHURCHES DO IT?
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