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Starbucks Plan Returns To Palatine

A new plan for a Starbucks near the intersection of Smith Street and Northwest Highway will go before the Zoning Board of Appeals March 27.

 

New plans for a Starbucks near the intersection of Northwest Highway and Smith Street will go before the Zoning Board of Appeals on March 27.

In January, the village council rejected the proposal by a 4-3 vote. The plan garnered criticism from residents concerned about traffic and also from supporters of nearby Norma's Coffee Corner, 189 W. Northwest Highway.

A project that has been rejected by the council can't be resubmitted for a year, unless the plan has been changed.

"We believe that there has been substantial enough change for it to move forward," Palatine Director of Planning and Zoning Ben Vyverberg said.

The stripmall would be located between Harris Bank, 205 W. Northwest Highway, and McDonald's, 275 W. Northwest Highway.

The commercial building would be about 6,800 square feet, about 900 square feet smaller than originally proposed. The biggest change, however, has to do with access to the business and where the drive-thru for Starbucks would be located.

The project would make use of the right-in, right-out entrance further east near Harris Bank. This would provide access for eastbound traffic on Northwest Highway. Traffic heading west on Northwest Highway could turn in at McDonald's and then doubleback to Starbucks, Vyverberg said.

The building still would have room for three tenants. Charley's Grilled Subs, a business owned by the property's owner Nick Bharwani, already was approved by the council. The third tenant has not been determined.

The Zoning Board of Appeals hearing will be at 7 p.m., March 27 at Village Hall, 200 E. Wood St.

Starbucks could locate in the stripmall without a drive-thru, but Starbucks Director of Global Development Dean Klein said at the January village council meeting that "the absence of a drive-thru makes this project less desirable. It would definitely detract from the appeal of this location."

The Northwest Highway Starbucks would be the fourth in Palatine. There already is a Starbucks located in the Metra Station near Smith and Wood streets. There also is a Starbucks at 1590 N. Rand Rd. as well as a Starbucks at 679 E. Dundee Rd. inside Target.

Related Topics: Norma's, Norma's Coffee Corner, Palatine Village Council, and Starbucks

Linda Trost

8:54 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

Great plan. Especially the drivethrough.

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KimberlyAnnz

2:20 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

I agree Linda, it is a great plan.

Shelly Gwilt Blake

11:01 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

If it is ONLY a drive-thru then it won't be as much of a competition to Norma's as it would be if they have a sit-down area inside. I'm sure that is NOT their plan. I think it is a bad move to put a corporate-owned business like Starbucks so close to a small business like Norma's who has been serving our community for years. Why don't they put it over by the new Mariano's or something - why pick a location that is within walking distance of Norma's?

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Brian Slupski

12:49 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

Hi Shelly
I believe it would include a sit down area and a drive-thru. The drive-thru requires a special use from the village.

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Shelly Gwilt Blake

1:39 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

Thanks Brian, I pretty much assumed that would be the case. Which is why I think it is a mistake for a big corporate company to build a gathering place coffee shop two doors down from an existing small business that provides this service. If they get their plan approved, I for one will never go there. I hope other residents will support Norma's and protest in the same way. You want Starbucks? Go to one of their many other locations.

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Scott

2:33 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

Shelly - the property owner does not own the land over by Mariano's.

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Shelly Gwilt Blake

2:38 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

@Scott, maybe not, but it's Starbucks that wants to put in another shop, I'm sure they can find a different landlord. Starbucks is not a franchise, it is a corporate giant so it's not the landowner that will competiting against Norma, it's the renter (Starbucks). I wouldn't be as opposed if Starbucks wanted to open further down NW Hwy, I just think its wrong to put a corporate giant right next to a small business - I just don't like it.

Emma King

12:04 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

Palatine needs to continue to protect local businesses, whether Starbucks brings back 10 more plan changes, there is no need to have a Starbucks when Norma's provides the same service and had done for years.

If you think we need another Starbucks in Palatine, suggest NW Highway and Colfax or near the new Mariannos.

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Bucephalus

8:43 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

Who are we to decide what business CAN start up? If you don't want Starbucks, don't go to it. But what authority or right does Palatine have to pick winners or losers? Look at the donut situation here. I find it unlikely that Dunkin Donuts has written off downtown. The nearest Dunkin is up at Rand and Dundee, no small distance from downtown.

So why isn't there wasn't closer to downtown? Two words: Spunky Dunkers. They've held downtown forever. If Norma's is as good for coffee as Spunky is for donuts, it'll have no problems competing with Starbucks.

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Shelly Gwilt Blake

9:13 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

@Bucephalus - there's a drive-thru Dunkin Donuts at Hicks & Industrial - it's connected to a gas station.

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Bucephalus

10:30 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

Shelly, that's not a full Dunkin' Donuts. I'm pretty sure the 7-11 at Quentin and Palatine has a bigger donut selection than that. Nor is it at all a convenient alternative for people who decide to pass on Spunky.

If you want to suggest that it is in direct competition with Spunky, then its clear Spunky is dominating that market. If they're not competing, Dunkin has ceded that market. In either case, its a positive message for Norma's and one that DIDN'T require the village of Palatine to pick sides.

KimberlyAnnz

2:19 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

It is a great idea for Starbucks to come to this location. We need a drive thru Starbucks in Palatine. It will bring in more tax revenue, create jobs and be a good addition to the Rt. 14 corridor. It is not up to our Village Council to dictate competition. If you still want to go to Norma's go.

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Sue Kirchner

5:28 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

The issue is more about the traffic congestion at the corner of Northwest Highway and Smith. It is already an incredibly busy corner and the drive through will just dramatically add to the problem. There are too many pedestrians, cyclists, and street entrances and exits to make this a safe proposition.

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Kathy Pedersen

7:09 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

Traffic concerns are what bother me. Can you imagine all the cars heading west, trying to turn into McD's, and continuing to turn left to get to Starbucks? Bad plan. Needs to be voted down once and for all. Plenty of other, more acceptable locations for a drive through.

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CartridgeWorld

8:05 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

Village had it right last vote; Protect our small businesses and prevent the traffic jam currently on Rt14 in Barrington as cars await to enter that Starbucks, blocking one lane sometimes with dangerously unexpected backups!!

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Captin2

8:10 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

I like this idea. I also believe that the Starbucks in the Metra station and the one in Target should not be factored in, as they are specific to the patrons of those 2 places. It's not like I am gonna go park at Target just to run in and get a coffee. And the train station is hassle too. In fact, even the one on Rand road is not user friendly. A drive thru makes sense. And if everyone is worried about traffic patterns, take a ride passed Marianos in the afternoon. It's a pain. This needs to get approved.

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Norma Holmes

11:25 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012

I agree with the issues of Traffic. As I've said before - Left turning vehicles into McDonalds cause problems, i.e. too many vehicles backup in the middle "lane" preventing traffic from flowing westbound on NW Hwy. The Smith intersection then becomes dangerous - especially during higher volume times of train departures, arrivals and school buses coming & going on Smith. I don't understand how the traffic "study" didn't acknowledge these issues.

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whocaretoo

7:37 am on Thursday, March 15, 2012

@ Shelly..I did not see you complain about the Pep Boys that is under construction a few doors down from NW oilers?? Is that because the space was existing or do you only complain about new buildings? Also, if you are so concerned about competition, why are you not upset that Firestone wants to build a building by the Discount Tire on Rand rd??

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Shelly Gwilt Blake

12:50 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012

@whooaretoo... I didn't know about Pep Boys & yes I would've complained had I known. Firestone & Discount Tire are both franchises, but as I mentioned earlier, I'm not talking about the Rand/Dundee area which has loads of franchise & big corporate businesses - I'm talking about this side of Palatine that has a lot of small locally owned businesses.

Victoria

12:26 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012

As a Palatine resident who frequents businesses on all four corners of the intersection of NW highway and Smith... I do not want to see a drive-thru Starbucks there. Traffic is bad enough in that area without the attraction of a drive-thru Starbucks (and they do get more traffice than non drive-thru locations). Even with lanes designed for no left turn into the parking lot, people won't pay attention (every time I am in the left turning lane on Rand/Dundee, I see some vehicle ignore the "no left turn" into that side entrance to THAT Starbucks). Having a McDonald's with it's own entrance right next to this new building and its entrances and then the Harris - it'll be a nightmare. Yes, other businesses on that strip do have their own entrances off NW highway, but those are varied businesses that do not have the same amount of traffic that another drive-thru will bring. If this goes up.... I'll be saving myself the bother and be doing more of my shopping in Lake Zurich. It's not going to hurt just Norma's - it will impact all the businesses in that area.

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KimberlyAnnz

6:31 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012

Nothing is ever as bad as we think it is going to be. This Starbucks needs to be approved. I drive that intersection every morning during rush hour and I do not find that intersection to be a problem at all, nor do I think it will be a problem after that lot is developed. I am so tired of all the businesses going to other towns, Buffalo Wild Wings just opened in Schaumburg, Red Robin just opened in Deer Park, Smash Burger in Kildeer, Whole Foods moving to Kildeer, Michael's moved to Deer Park.... we need new businesses HERE!!! Mariano's is the best thing to happen to this town in a long time, and so will a drive thru Starbucks.

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Bucephalus

7:21 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012

I also want to point out that a few years ago I spent some time up in Appleton, Wisconsin. In the middle of downtown there is an awesome little coffee shop called Brewed Awakenings. They're friendly, local, and still in business. Their address is
107 East College Avenue. Remember that address.

I think it was 2004 or 2005 when Starbucks moved into downtown. Their address?
101 East College Avenue. That's two storefronts. Two. On the same street. With the same parking in front of them.

And yet today Brewed Awakenings still remains. If Starbucks was so powerful and so evil they would have put Brewed Awakenings under years ago. But they haven't. Because Brewed Awakenings has its own unique character, its own unique niche, and is a more friendly place than that Starbucks. If Norma's has those characteristics it can hold off Starbucks.

If not? Good luck to Norma.

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PalGal

10:52 am on Sunday, March 18, 2012

What's happening with the mall on the corner of NWHwy and Quentin? Now that Blockbuster and Boston Market are gone, are there plans to bring any new businesses there?

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Digs

12:04 am on Monday, May 28, 2012

Traffic will be worse with a new three business lot in that area, and at least two of those businesses will be owned by an immigrant that most likely got his money from the government, while there are plenty of locals who can't even get food stamps. Not because they don't deserve it, but because they can't prove they are poor. I agree with PalGal - that lot at Quentin needs help, and we don't need new buildings going up in an already congested area. McDonald's will suffer for this; look at the entrance as is, with people wanting to leave, and others wanting to enter. What a freaking mess this will be! I hope there will be a protest to this stupid idea once again. I will be there with signs, for sure.

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