Quentin Road Expansion Faces Hurdles
Cook County Highway Department proposes increase to four lanes and a turn lane between Lake Cook and Dundee, pending approval from Illinois Department of Transportation.
The future of the Quentin Road expansion remains uncertain more than two-and-a-half years after the first public hearing about the project took place.
“The final plan needs approval from the county board, and there are those who don’t want to take any property from the forest preserve,” said Cook County Commissioner Gregg Goslin, who represents the 14th District, which includes Palatine. “I support the plan with recommendations from professionals—it has become a very sensitive matter.”
The plan would widen Quentin Road to five lanes – two lanes in both directions and a turning lane —between Lake Cook and Dundee roads. Although the plans call for five lanes, officials said there are those who would like to see the project scaled back to three lanes and a turning lane.
“If the road is built, it will be built into existing sections at either end of it, both of which are five lanes currently; it makes no sense to go from a five lanes (south of Dundee), to a three lane (north of
Dundee to Lake Cook Road) and then back to a five lane highway (north of Lake Cook Road),” Goslin said. “Why would we reinvest money in a three-lane highway when it won’t work?”
By the beginning of 2012, the $17 million Federal Phase 1 Project Development Report is expected to be in front of the Illinois Department of Transportation for approval, but only if the county board approves it first.
The project also includes adding underground tunnels for bikers, walkers and horseback riders and replacing a 100-year-old bridge between Lake Cook and Dundee roads.
The bridge replacement, which accounts for $3.7 million of the $17 million project, will be covered by federal funds and will take place whether or not the rest of the project is approved.
“The existing bridge structure, which carries Quentin Road over the Arlington Heights branch of Salt Creek, will be replaced due to the existing load posted condition of the aged structure,” acting Cook County superintendent of highways John Beissel said.
Other issues include acquiring private land from residents and the need for permanent easements on either side for sidewalks, which would have to come from the forest preserve. Palatine Patch contacted the Forest Preserve District of Cook County about the project, but a spokesman said the district has not taken a position on the Quentin Road project.
“It’s very problematic; in addition there would be the loss of trees, but many of them are degraded and not on forest preserve property and currently on the right of way, which is owned by the county,” Goslin said. “People say, 'How dare you build a highway in the middle of a forest preserve,' but the road was there before the county bought the property.”
Goslin said if the project is to move forward, there must also be sensitivity to the natural ecosystems there.
“One thing we all agree on is there needs to be a vacation of property on the east side of the road, so there can be a bike trail and walking trail that provides connectivity between Dundee and Lake Cook Road,” Palatine District 1 Council Member Aaron Del Mar said.
“The village has always been supportive of the project," Palatine engineer Mike Danecki said. "It is a needed improvement, and provisions for residents should be included in it. We have offered to assist the county with the costs of sidewalks and bike paths.”
The Cook County Highway Department and the forest preserve plan to meet in November to discuss the project needs and scope as well as its impact on the forest preserve.
IDOT could take up to four months to review the final plan once it is submitted, Beissel said.
Cameron
7:26 am on Monday, August 29, 2011
As a resident this area near Quentin Road, I drive this particular section several times a day. I've also never understood why the power-that-be have insisted on this ridiculous 5-lane proposal. The bottleneck isn't this section, but rather the two lane section between Long Grove Rd and Rand Rd. While I support plans to improve the road, I feel 5-lanes is not only overkill, but it also could present a more dangerous situation than already exists if no sort of stoplight at the Dunhaven Woods is considered in the planning.
One bright spot in all this is the bike/walking lane spanning the entire section of road, once that's in I'll just leave the car in driveway and the county can enjoy their 5-lane monstrosity all by themselves.
Eric Wasowicz
2:58 pm on Tuesday, August 30, 2011
We not only drive this area many times per day but we live right in the middle of Quentin between Dundee and Lake Cook. This area was a major hazard 10 years ago when the work was supposed to be done. It is even more dangerous today with the increased volume of traffic. The potentially impacted trees and mostly shrubs along the road are either dead or not natural to the area. There have been numerous accidents in this area and we don't want to see someone killed. There have been numerous studies done by civil engineers and experts in the field including the study contracted by the county that say there should be 4 lanes with a turning lane. We have been expecting this for 10 years and the volume is only getting worse.
I love the forest preserve but I love life more. Let's fix the bridge, build the road the way the experts say it should be built and be done with it! The cost continues to climb.
greg rusteberg
10:50 am on Monday, August 29, 2011
The Quentin Road expansion needs to be a approved...and the Cook County Superintendent of Hwys, Cook County Board members and IDOT need to recognize the danger that currently exists on this stretch of road.
Over the past decade Questin road has become a very popular roadway for motorist traveling from Route 22 to Route 62. But the section of road between Lake Cook road and Dundee has also become a very dangerous stretch of road. This particular section of road forces you to go from 2 lanes to a single lane design at 40 MPH. Any resident attempting to access by foot or cycle the Forest Preserve entrance on Quentin is FORCED to take their life in their hands... their is NO safe walkway along Quentin...yet cars pass you within inches at 40 MPH !
The entrance into the Forest Preserve on Quentin is a constant source of frustration from pedestrians attempting to cross Quentin with incoming traffic traveling at 40 MPH and maneuver around cars entering & existing the forest preserve grounds.
Over the years, I've witnessed several "near accidents" of residents walking along Quentin...why prolong this ill designed roadway ? Expand the road, 3 lanes or 5 lanes...let the "committees" decide..but do it quickly. We have waited long enough.
Kate
1:18 pm on Monday, August 29, 2011
As a resident of Palatine and someone who uses Quentin between Dundee and Lake Cook daily to and from work, I see no need to expand, adding extra lanes. It's never backed up when I'm using it. I will be outraged if the Forest Preserve (which purpose is to "preserve forest") is impeeded on. What needs to be done is have a bike lane installed. I'm pissed off that this is even an issue.
yolanda donnell benitez
2:37 pm on Monday, August 29, 2011
I am also a resident of Palatine, and would like to see the expansion into a 5-lane with an underground for byciclists, walkers, and joggers. Every day there is a horrible traffic jam starting before Lake Cook Road all the way to Rand Road. There have been times when I have actually sat there for 45 minutes in what usually takes only 10 minutes. Also, for now, they should post signs on Quentin that noone is allowed to drive their bikes or walk. I've seen a lot of these cyclists that think they are in a marathon and they are swirving in, out, and in front of those cars that are going 40 mph !!!! And if one of those cars hits them, I'll be the first to help the car driver by acting as witness that these cyclists are doing it on purpose (for easy money and a lawsuit).
Ellen
6:22 pm on Monday, August 29, 2011
I have had problems getting into and out of the forest preserve on Quentin.
First, the road needs to be widened on the east side so that cars can get past you while you are trying to turn into the forest preserve from Quentin (headed north). If I stop where one would normally stop the cars can't get around me without going into potholes -- so, I stop back a little bit so they can get around me while I'm waiting for a chance to turn in there.
I have had most problems trying to exit the forest preserve onto Quentin, especially in the winter when snow is piled up and I can't see the oncoming traffic that is coming at me from the north. It is very dangerous to turn to the north from the forest preserve exit but, at times, just as dangerous to turn to the south.
I don't believe that the 40mph is appropriate for a road running thru a forest preserve. Yes, it should be lowered. I just don't understand how people can drive that fast right next to woods on both sides. Haven't they ever heard that there are deer at Deer Grove?
The bike path should not be crossing the road at the same spot where cars are trying to get in and out of the forest preserve. I guess a tunnel would solve that problem but tunnels aren't always very safe places to be. I know I was often a tad fearful going into the tunnel near the Palatine Library. I don't see why the bike path can't be modified to take bikes out of the woods at an existing traffic light (with a new sidewalk along Quentin).
Quentin Supporters
10:33 pm on Monday, August 29, 2011
How refreshing to read an article about the Quentin Road rebuild written by a reporter that actually checked the facts by going directly to the sources! Commissioner Goslin should be commended for supporting the plan based on what the "professionals" recommend, as it should be. This road needs to be 2-lanes in each direction with turn lanes at the residential streets and at Camp Reinberg, along with sidewalk on the East side, as planned by the Cook County Highway Department. Download and zoom in on the PDF map on www.buildquentin.com and see the details for yourselves. The sidewalk plan on the East side of the road from Ruhl Rd. to Camp Reinberg is the only detail not shown as it was added based on input from the Open House. The only way improvements to this 1-mile stretch will work is to make the number of lanes match what is to the North and South, getting rid of the bottleneck and letting traffic flow properly. The 5th lane is planned only for turning at Camp Reinberg and at residential streets from Ruhl Rd. to Lake Cook Rd. - the remainder of the road will be 4-lanes! The only monstrous thing about all this is the price tag which keeps rising - partly due to the number of times this project has been stopped. This project is needed for SAFETY, MOBILITY & CONNECTITY for the 26,000 cars that traverse it each day AND THE PEOPLE IN THEM, plus cyclists, pedestrians, and equestrians that want to fully enjoy what this beautiful preserve has to offer - not be cut off from it!
Jenny
8:59 pm on Tuesday, August 30, 2011
A forest PRESERVE should be just that, period. Preserved land. There's not much point to a peaceful, quiet(?), natural spot that is surrounded by a FIVE lane road.
In addition, if we don't use some common sense limiting paved space why shouldn't all roads be 5 lane highways. Actually why stop there -make it an even 6.
Finally, instead of the expense associated with a bike/walking tunnel or bridge, why not change the location of where it meets Quentin to make it safer. Adding shoulder or path along Quentin for bike/walking is unnecessary because there are trails that can be used instead.
Ellen
8:10 pm on Sunday, September 4, 2011
When you bike from Deer Grove East to Deer Grove (cross Quentin) there is very little paved trail. It goes a short distance and then turns into gravel. For this reason, the forest preserve has increasing bike traffic along the f.p. roads instead of on trails. You need a mountain bike to ride the gravel trails.
A stop sign at the f.p. entrance would really get residents who use this road ticked off. There should be a traffic light there -- but one that is tripped only when there are actually cars trying to get out of the forest preserve. If they would fix the big pot holes and do just a tad more paving, cars could easily get around cars stopped in the northbound lane trying to get into the f.p.
People seem to want to live in the middle of a forest preserve but they don't want to have to go out of their way at all because of it. You don't like Quentin? Take Lake Cook over to Rand. Too much trouble for you? Don't buy a house in the middle of a forest preserve!
The bike trails should be improved in the f.p. so people will stay on them and there should be a traffic light for the bikers to use to cross from one section to the other. It would be nice to have a sidewalk going along Quentin in that area but the same thing could be accomplished by improving the bike path in Deer Grove.
The f.p.plow trucks should not be allowed to pile snow up so close to the road/entrance since not all of us have SUVs and can't see over the piles of snow to make a safe turn out of the f.p.
Kishor
10:07 pm on Wednesday, August 31, 2011
Stop dreaming. There is no need to expand Quentin road, just add left turn lanes and fix the bridge. Lower the speed to 35mph and make it safer for people using the forest preserve. Keep Deer Grove Forest Preserve a recreational area that it is. There are no problems with the road as it is. The traffic dies down after 11pm until 4:30 in the morning and there has never been a traffic jam on this short road between Dundee and Lake-Cook. Just adjust the traffic light timing on Dundee and Lake-Cook. Use the money for something worthwhile. We don't need a bike or foot path and certainly don't need an underground walkway for a once a month horseback rider. The whole expansion idea is utterly ridiculous. It's just like all the politicians talking in Washington.
Eric Wasowicz
11:06 pm on Wednesday, August 31, 2011
Obviously, you don't live in the area. During the week this road is a constant traffic jam and bottle neck during rush hours. It takes 4 to 5 minutes on average to make a left turn on to Quentin. The extra road space will not effect that many trees and I don't think the forest preserve cares that much about the trees anyway. They just cut down hundred of trees in Deer Grove East in the past 6 months. I didn't hear anyone complain about that. The people that live here care about safety.
Ellen
8:17 pm on Sunday, September 4, 2011
@ Eric I do live in the area and drive this road every day. Add the 4 or 5 mins. to your schedule or take a different route.
It's a forest preserve. You're driving thru the middle of it and you're driving too fast as is. Adding more lanes is just going to make this another speed trap or it's going to encourage people to speed. And then you'll be demanding to kill all the deer that get in the way of your speeding because you can't properly adjust your schedule to the route you use.
Kishor
8:59 am on Sunday, September 4, 2011
I live right here and have made left turns at all hours of the day, and the most I have waited once was 2 minutes. It also depends on a driver too. The folks who dreamed of this expansion don't live here and grew up surrounded by asphalt. this Quentin road section is not the cause of traffic jam, it's the left turning cars and long red lights at both ends. Put in a left turn lane, adjust traffic light timings and lower the speed to 35 from 45 (The 4-lane section of Quentin south of Dundee has speed limit of 35-40mph, go figure that). It's worth a wait to turn once, may be twice a day to save the nature and enjoy it, because that's the first reason why many people moved to this area.
ChiTownRunnr
11:42 am on Sunday, September 4, 2011
These battles seem to be always fought over the wrong issues. If widening Quentin Road through this stretch to 5 lanes makes sense, and it does because the roads connecting to both ends of it are 5 lanes, that is what should be built. The small amount of land required from the forest preserve is inconsequential to the forest preserve but monumental to the needs of the road and the public safety. I appreciate nature as much as most environmentalists and have fought to preserve areas when that makes sense. Improve the road correctly and everyone benefits, including nature.
Ellen
8:21 pm on Sunday, September 4, 2011
Add more lanes and the road becomes more dangerous. It encourages people to speed even more than they are now.
Add a couple of minutes to your schedule and stop complaining.
Kishor
7:16 pm on Sunday, September 4, 2011
Five lane expansion is not a correct solution. Dundee road, a state route is 2 lanes from west of Hicks all the way to route 59, so is Roselle south of NW Hwy to Euclid and so is route 53, north of Lake-Cook all the way to route 83. Those roads are lot busier than this small section of Quentin. Why don't they expand them? It's not true that both ends of this section of Quentin are 5 lane roads. Dundee is a 2-lane state route and Lake-Cook, a 4-lane road, becomes a 2-lane road west of Quentin. This road has minimal traffic during off-peak hours and practically falls silent after 11pm until 4:30 in the morning. Put a stop sign at Ruhl and also at the forest preserve entrance, put in left turn lanes, fix the bridge and lower the speed to 35.
steph
7:51 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011
OFCOURSE YOU PEOPLE SEE NO NEED TO EXPAND. I LIVE OFF OF QUENTIN ROAD AND IT IS RIDICULOUS TO PULL IN AND OUT OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD. IT CAN TAKE 10 MINUTES TO MAKE A LEFT HAND TURN ON SOMEDAYS AND I AM SICK OF IT!! THEY NEED TO EXPAND THIS ROAD AND IN THE MEAN TIME MAYBE YOU PEOPLE SHOULD STAY OFF THIS PART OF THE ROAD SO I CAN PULL OUT!!
Ellen
1:14 pm on Wednesday, October 19, 2011
And you didn't realize this before you moved into the middle of a forest preserve???
If it takes 10 minutes to make a left turn from your house in the woods, make a right turn and then find a place to turn around.
Don't move into the middle of a forest preserve and then tell those of us who want to go to the forest preserve to stay off "your" road.
Kishor
3:57 pm on Wednesday, October 19, 2011
Agree with Ellen.
Mike Labuda
12:45 pm on Tuesday, October 25, 2011
Where do people get the idea that Quentin goes through the middle of the forest preserve? Get a map and see for yourself. The road needs to be expanded for safety and traffic concerns. Either expand Quentin Road or extend 53. The forest preserve can do without the trees next to the road anyways, they are hazards the way they lean towards the road and will fall one day into traffic. Get the road done!!!
Ellen
3:23 pm on Tuesday, October 25, 2011
I don't need a map to tell me that when I bike across Quentin from Deer Grove East to Deer Grove I am crossing a road that goes thru the middle of the forest preserve. Perhaps you would like the sections of Deer Grove to be renamed so that they can be considered to be separate and then you can tell yourself that Quentin doesn't run thru the middle of a forest preserve.
If trees are leaning in a dangerous way, they should be taken down regardless of the number of lanes on the road.