No Backyard Hens for Palatine
A neighbor objected saying allowing a coop would bring down her home's value and would attract predators.
A couple that has been working to bring backyard hens to Palatine won’t be eating fresh eggs anytime soon unless they can reach an agreement with their neighbor.
The Palatine village council voted Monday to table Vanessa and Jason Barsanti’s request to house hens after a neighbor appeared before the board and objected.
Ann Harrison, who lives in the 300 block of Elm Street, said she is concerned that allowing chickens in backyards would bring predators—such as coyotes—to the area, as well as reduce the value of her family’s home, which she estimates is worth more than $500,000.
“It is my belief and conclusion that having a chicken coop would affect the resale of my home, which is a huge investment of our family financially, and we continue to invest in yearly,” Harrison said. “I don’t think we should be penalized if we chose to buy a residential area with a half acre.”
The zoning board unanimously recommended approval at its July 24 hearing, and for the most part, the Barsanti’s neighbors gave their consent for the chickens. However, the village did receive one letter of objection and Councilman Jim Clegg said he spoke to someone who was also against the hens.
The Barsantis, who live near the intersection of W. Daniels Road and S. Elm Street, have a large garden and several trees on their half-acre property. If the council had approved the special use for an accessory unique use to permit the Barsanti’s to raise chickens in their backyard, their case would have served as the benchmark for all future backyard hen requests.
Both Councilman Clegg and Councilman Aaron Del Mar asked whether allowing chickens would be a slippery slope for permitting other livestock such as sheep, goats, ducks and peacocks.
Village manager Reid Ottesen said that with every single request that comes forward the village looks at their business plan, how they use their lot and its size, animal type.
“I don’t think it would be right of us to say, ‘well, you can allow this, but we can’t allow that,’” Ottesen said. “Every single special use that comes before you is unique unto that property.”
While the committee of the whole voted 6-1 to deny the Barsanti’s request for a backyard chicken coop for egg production, the village council deferred any final action to give the two neighbors time to potentially work out an agreement. Councilman Kollin Kozlowski was the only board member who voted in favor.
In September 2010, Evanston approved a measure allowing residents to have two to 6 chickens. However, in February 2012 Arlington Heights voted no on allowing chicken coops.
Joemama
8:28 am on Thursday, August 9, 2012
Well someone came to their senses we do not live that far from many farms in the area that you can get fresh eggs from and allowing them within the city limits is just nonsense.
Vanessa
9:24 am on Thursday, August 9, 2012
It is much more difficult to get fresh eggs in the winter when the farmers' markets aren't going on. And allowing hens within the village is actually a small part of the growing movement towards sustainability in a world with an ever-growing population and thus ever-declining resources.
Joemama
9:53 am on Thursday, August 9, 2012
It is not hard to get fresh eggs any time of the year within 10 miles of Palatine I have done it for years.
Corrine
7:21 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012
The eggs we get in the stores are already 3 months old they are not fresh. Fresh eggs are amazing. I am sorry that this did not pass. The hens would be less of an annoyance than some neighbors cats that crap in our yards!!!
Margie McG...
9:54 am on Thursday, August 9, 2012
I would enjoy buying fresh eggs in this area. I also understand the neighbor's concerns.
That said, freshly laid eggs are delicious and taste quite different than the grocery store ones.
Margie McG...
9:55 am on Thursday, August 9, 2012
Joemama, where do you get them?
Joemama
10:05 am on Thursday, August 9, 2012
Fresh Farms 291 E. Dundee Rd., Whelling , IL. 60090 Phone (847)215-2663 open 7 day a week.
Vanessa
10:20 am on Thursday, August 9, 2012
I think that all the eggs sold at Fresh Farms come from farms who feed 100% grain diets. Therefore you aren't getting the benefits of eggs from backyard hens allowed to do some foraging - mainly, less cholesterol and more vitamins.
Tim Frillman
11:53 am on Thursday, August 9, 2012
You can Also come To Frillman Farms LLC! I am Located On 16737 West Aptakisic Road Prairie View, IL 60069. I am located right across the street from Didier Farms. Fresh egg sign is located in front of the farm!~
Tim Frillman
11:54 am on Thursday, August 9, 2012
-I also Have fresh Heirloom Vegetables, Honey, and eggs!!! Hope to hear from you guys soon you can also check out www.FrillmanFarms.com 847-287-9950
Tim Frillman
11:55 am on Thursday, August 9, 2012
I think that farming should be left to the farmers! If you want chickens buy a farm!
Vanessa
11:58 am on Thursday, August 9, 2012
So by that argument people shouldn't grow their own food? Because I know plenty of gardeners in Palatine, and all over the country, that would wholly disagree with you.
Gina
12:42 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012
Tim, I think you have a huge conflict of interest here.
Margie McG...
11:59 am on Thursday, August 9, 2012
Thanks for the location and information, Tom. In the old days, most people kept chickens. It's legal in Northfield, Evanston and Chicago. I appreciate farms that sell directly to the public as well, it's a good way to buy fresh.
Ron
12:06 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012
We live on ½ acre in downtown Palatine. We do not have chickens in our neighborhood but we do have coyotes, raccoons, fox, skunk, woodchucks, opossums’, mice, bats, squirrels, several hawks and the occasional deer. All of these I have photographed from my patio many times. If I kept chickens what else could I attract…Wolves?, That being said I do not agree with chickens in a residential neighborhood.
As a 12 year old growing up in Arlington Hts in the 50’s our neighbor had 2 horses and several chickens. I was paid to clean the horse stalls and chicken coop and let me tell you that the chicken coop was not my favorite job. Horses are easy. Chickens are real work and great responsibility. The constant cleaning and sanitizing to keep the smell down and control parasites is a full time job. My wife’s father kept chickens in downtown Des Plaines. As the appointed cleaning person she shares my opinion. My plate is full caring for our 148 year old home, 23 trees and extensive gardens. Based on the boundary restrictions a coop in my yard would have to be right in the middle of my yard. One heck of a gazebo. Would I mind if my responsible neighbor had a chicken coop?. Responsible is the key word. If you pulled my finger nails out with a pliers I would say NO!. Chickens are great, I hear that they taste just like chicken, eggs are good, but not in a residential setting.
Fact. Under ideal conditions three chickens will average 2 eggs per day total in the summer months.
Gina
5:31 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012
Ron, I think you pointed out a very valid point. Nature already existing around us. Responsible chicken owners are not going to attract anything more. We are more at risk of seeing more predators due to the continued loss of habitat as humans build more and more. (How many strip malls does a town need?) Please check out this website to help ease your fears and concerns. http://blog.mypetchicken.com/2012/07/20/the-6-silliest-arguments-against-backyard-chickens/
Vanessa
12:16 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012
Wolves? Well that is a new one! There are really no wolves in this area, and in fact they are an extremely rare sighting in Illinois.
As part of our proposal to the Village we agreed to spot clean everyday and clean out the entire bedding of the coop weekly, among many other conditions. Additionally, we agreed to periodic village inspections so that they could assuage their fears and we could show them that we were, in fact, being responsible owners.
Joemama
12:18 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012
Thank you Ron people don't know how hard it is to raise these things but see some show on TV that talks about how much better it is and want to jump right in. As I stated before you don't need to have live stock in Palatine when you can get what you need so close to home.
Vanessa
12:28 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012
Joemama, you have no idea the work and time we put into educating ourselves prior to bringing this before the Village. I didn't get the idea from "some show on TV" and there was no "jump[ing] right in." Don't assume things about my husband and I please.
Furthermore, necessity isn't really the argument here. I can get tomatoes from the store, or the farmers' market, or Tim's farm, but I grow them myself. Should that be banned as well? Also, Palatine allows rabbit hutches and beehives in the village and I know its not because you can't find honey or rabbit meat anywhere.
Tim Frillman
12:28 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012
I am just saying as a farmer myself.... I have had way to many people calling my farm and asking if I can take chickens. I know some of you are responsible chicken owners but I cannot tell you how annoyed I am of people calling me asking to take chickens that they can no longer take care of. My point is this... I have 160 chickens, 5 bee hives and I work 6 acres of land on a 10 acre farm and it is 3 full time jobs. There is a reason they don't have chickens at adoption facilities for pets. Most people cannot handle chickens when something goes wrong... and gardens and animals are very different trust me I have plenty of experience with both.
Remember when you chicken has a problem... have fun taking it to the vet! most vets don't even know what to do with a chicken but put it down.
Vanessa
12:32 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012
I have experience with both gardens and animals as well Tim, but you said farming, and farming includes the growing of plants, hence my previous comment.
We had already found an avian vet who is familiar and comfortable with treating chickens. That was not going to be an issue.
Gina
12:32 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012
I called Fresh Farms and their eggs are not "fresh." In fact, they cannot tell me how long the eggs took from being laid to landing on their shelves. In addition, they cannot tell me what the hens were fed. The closest farm supplying their eggs is in Southern IL. I would also like to point out, just because the carton says "cage free" does not mean the hen was raised in a healthy clean environment. Stress hormones do impact our food. I think more and more people want to not only take control of their food but contribute to sustainable living. Consider the use of foraging hens picking up grubs rather than the toxic chemicals that are pouring into your drinking water system. An excellent book, The Omnivore's Dilemma by Michael Pollan started my initial quest to seek out healthier meals and true sustainable living. Nutrition is the foundation of good health which helps not only the individual but the community as a whole. I can tell you as a registered nurse, this has a global impact and the should not be taken lightly.
Tim Frillman
12:41 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012
Vanessa... I am telling you what I have seen with this backyard chicken issue. I am a business I am different... I get it! All I am saying is for people to stop calling me when they don't want there chickens anymore. If your a responsible chicken owner handle it yourself I have enough hard work dealing with mine lol.
Gina
6:03 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012
I too have had experience with farm animals, domestic animals, and vegetable gardens. I think I'm pretty darn good at it. Unfortunately there are irresponsible people who have children too. Sounds to me you may benefit from a sign outside your entrance regarding taking in animals. However, you may benefit the community even better if you were to offer educational classes regarding raising chickens. I think Vanessa and her husband have done an excellent job of researching this wonderful way of living that will not only benefit themselves but the community as a whole.
Yes, we all can conveniently drive to the local grocery store but, this convenience does not come without a price. It would take me 30 minutes of driving to get to your farm. Natural resources are not limitless and the effects of increased traffic have a negative impact on one's health and the environment. The inhumane practices of corporate farming are even worse, destroying the environment and the quality of food it produces. In this day in age, more and more people are getting back to their roots of sustainable living. I commend everyone who takes such initiatives. With the added interest and neighboring communities allowing the practice, I don't think backyard chicken raising is going away anytime soon.
Tim Frillman
12:40 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012
What do you want to know..... Call me. 847-287-9950 Tim
Margie McG...
12:53 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012
Amen! I support healthy food without the use of pesticides. And Gina, you are so right, most people don't think about the run off water that is recycled and then sent back out to homes and business.
Ellen
6:34 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012
Sounds like so much planning has been done for these chickens. Why then didn't you plan ahead and find a place to live that allows them?
Vanessa
6:38 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012
Ellen, God forbid we try to bring a new sustainability practice to the Village to make it a better place to live. Change can be good. See if you can't find something more constructive to add to the conversation then that quip.
Vanessa
6:50 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012
By the way, how funny that when somebody told you to, in your translation, "love it or leave it" while commenting on a different story you called them an idiot. Yet here you are basically doing the same thing to me.
Gina
7:06 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012
Ellen, I grew up in Palatine and would like to continue living here in a sustainable eco-friendly manner. I would also like to point out Napperville, St. Charles, Evanston, and Chicago all allow backyard chickens. They are all valuable towns to live in but are years ahead of us. We can no longer turn a blind eye to what's happening to our food and our environment. Remember, you do not have to start raising chickens. We just want the option to do so ourselves.
Ellen
11:52 am on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Venessa, wow, talk about having nothing better to do. You look up my history of comments?
I am allergic to farm animals and most certainly wouldn't want your smelly chickens in my backyard. How much do you expect your neighbors to put up with so you can have a few "superior" eggs to eat? If you are so concerned about the environment and sustainability then you should know that meat and dairy eaters are helping to kill the planet.
Sophie Masterson
7:16 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Who the hell says they are allergic to farm animals? Every single one of them? You are out of your mind. And uh, meat and dairy eating has nothing to do with egg eating crazy woman. And again, learn to spell.
Joemama
5:53 am on Friday, August 10, 2012
OK what is the name of this story? "NO BACKYARDS HENS FOR PALATINE" Now let's keep it that way!!!! All you wantabe live off the land people can just move some where else to raise all the live stock you want just not in PALATINE!!! thank you very much.
Vanessa
8:04 am on Friday, August 10, 2012
Joemama, you have articulated no reason why it would be harmful to Palatine to allow hens. That is because there is no reason it would be harmful. Stop repeating yourself and add something meaningful to the conversation if you're going to keep posting please.
Joemama
9:21 am on Friday, August 10, 2012
Venessa,
Really do I have to put in how bird flu spreads and the smell just to name a few reasons why. So you can take your coop and move somewhere else? It was shot down move on with your life or move out!!!!!
Vanessa
10:38 am on Friday, August 10, 2012
Joemama, the CDC has stated that there is no need to remove a family flock of chickens based on concern for avian flu. In fact, backyard flocks are actually the solution to helping reduce avian flu amongst chickens, not the problem. Additionally, we spoke to a local avian vet who assured us that there is "no health risk" in raising backyard hens.
As far as odor goes, hens produce significantly less waste than your average 40 lb. dog, which produces about 3/4 lb. every day. Chicken waste is no more smelly than dog waste, and it would have to be cleaned up just like dog owners have to pick up waste. The only difference is there is less to pick up, and that it also is beneficial to add to your compost for your garden, whereas dog waste can only be thrown in the trash.
Finally, the proposal was not "shot down," it was only tabled.
Gina
10:29 am on Friday, August 10, 2012
Joemama, please take some time to educate yourself before posting again. It's easy to fear something you do not understand.
Joemama
11:30 am on Friday, August 10, 2012
"While the committee of the whole voted 6-1 to deny the Barsanti’s request for a backyard chicken coop for egg production, the village council deferred any final action to give the two neighbors time to potentially work out an agreement."
LOOKS LIKE IT WAS DENYED TO ME! And the next time it coms up I'll make sure there are more then your one neighbor to object to it also.
Vanessa
11:38 am on Friday, August 10, 2012
Joemama, exactly, it says right in the sentence you quoted final action was deferred. What do you care about whether or not my husband get a chicken coop anyway? Do you live anywhere near us? This was not an ordinance change suggestion, but a special use application that would grant my husband and I, and only my husband and I, the ability to have a coop. So unless you live near us, which I can't ascertain since you don't put your real name up in comments, it doesn't even affect you. Why spend the time and energy into arguing and trying to hurt people if you aren't even personally affected by this?
Vanessa
11:48 am on Friday, August 10, 2012
Additionally, if our application ultimately does get finally denied, I will move on. Move on to building a beehive in our backyard which is perfectly legal in Palatine.
Joemama
11:59 am on Friday, August 10, 2012
Vanessa,
I do live in Palatine and have my hole life in the pleasnt hill area. I also remember as a child chickens being at homes in the downtown area along with the smell and waste that were left by them. As for my name that is what everyone calls me I don’t need to hide from anyone.
Sophie Masterson
7:08 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Learn how to spell, "Joemama."
Sophie Masterson
7:26 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Vanessa, Joemama's name is Joe Kendall and I believe he lives at 138 S. Cedar St. in Palatine.
Joemama
12:01 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012
Well I hope you attract killer bees for your killer Attitude
Vanessa
12:07 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012
Pleasant Hill isn't near close enough to my house to be remotely affected by this.
I haven't been mean to you, there is no reason for you to wish harm on me.
If you ever want to sit down and have a real conversation face to face about the chicken coop issue I would be more than happy to talk to you. Beyond that, I just won't spend anymore time on here. I hope you have a good weekend.
Mike
3:55 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012
Vanessa- I live in Unincorporated Lake County near Palatine. We have Chickens and Bees! There are lots in our subdivision for sale, we would love to have you as a neighbor! If you need help with anything with the bees you are more then welcome to visit us! e-mail at behrenslandscape@aol.com
Jim
9:38 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012
Ok, watched the Village Council meeting, couple of questions 1) Attraction of rodents. 1) You have the barriers to protects your chickens, and parts of your yard fenced six feet high, but would still attract wildlife into your yard and others. How would that be addressed? And where would the feed be kept and how would it be stored as not to attract rodents? 2) Noise, when they get excited or scared you can certainly hear them. Especially at night when a raccoon does try to enter the coop. 3) Looking at non-flighty birds, but if they decide to take off a six foot fence will not hold them in, now what running after them? 4) Inspection - comment made to call first - isnt the point to do an unannounced inspection? 5) Cleaning the pen itself? with six chickens they will have it down to bare ground in no time. How will it be maintained. 6) It was mentioned only the owners would come in contact with waste while cleaning the coop, yet it was also mentioned a 13 yr old neighbor would take of the chickens if they were on vacation - so the coop would not be cleaned while your away? Or other people in fact would come in contact with the waste? 7) In order for your dogs not to get excited at seeing the chickens, young chicks would be purchased and then kept in the house for a time period - chickens in the house? - one heck of a chicken coop!
Vanessa
9:46 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012
Jim, I think you've misstated a lot of things on here and you also just don't have the knowledge regarding a few others. If you'd like to have a real conversation about it by phone or face to face I'm happy to do so. Unfortunately, I just can't deal with Patch comments anymore.
Ron
8:50 am on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Vanessa, A child will hold his breath until he turns blue to get what he wants from Mommy and Daddy. If you can’t get chickens you will get bees cause you’ll show them who’s boss and they will be sorry they ever told you no. You “can’t deal with patch comments anymore”…. May I be so bold to suggest that you do not deal with the comments. All the comments are directed at your comments. GIVE IT A REST! and this silly tossing of chicken poop will end. You are egging us on.
Ellen
12:02 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
:-)
Sophie Masterson
7:10 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
She has only responded to the rest of you people's comments. Why don't you leave it alone. Clearly she's done a ton of work on this and knows her stuff. Good one on the pun though.
Ralph Andaas
9:59 am on Saturday, August 11, 2012
I'm a palatine resident as well. And don't see a problem with having a coop as long as its maintained. Fresh eggs have benefits I'm not exactly sure what they are but my grandfather could tell you if he was still alive.
Emily
11:01 am on Saturday, August 11, 2012
The opinions expressed here are truly sad and ignorant. Tim, as a farmer to say "I think that farming should be left to the farmers! If you want chickens buy a farm!" BLOWS MY MIND!! And to follow that up with information on how to contact your to buy your goods.....yeah....no thanks! I myself own chickens and spend an hour a day tending to them and making sure that they are healthy and their area is clean. I have NEVER EVER had a problem with my chickens smelling however the pile of crap that my dog takes next to the coop every day sure does! We live in a time of war and a struggling economy. EVERYONE should have the right to raise their own food and to RESPECT the food that they raise. But again, the opinions expressed here are truly a reflection of the selfish society that we live in and why raise your own food when you can just go to the store and buy crap? But thats a whole other problem.... This entire thing is such a shame.
Ron
12:50 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Emily, It is so nice to hear from someone who dos NOT live in Palatine and will NOT be affected by any decision regarding chickens in Palatine jump into our chicken poop slinging carnival game. Please feel free to call the posters on this site sad and ignorant and I am glad you told us we are in a time of war and struggling economy . WOW! What a revelation. As a busybody I am sure you have no friends and from your comments on this site it is obvious why. I could ask you to go away but I am sure you do not know what that means. However; Don’t quit your day job.
Sophie Masterson
7:11 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Agree Emily!
Ellen
12:07 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Venessa, you make a point of saying that this would only apply to you as a special use. What makes you so special, in your own mind?
Sophie Masterson
7:11 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
What the hell kind of question is that? Grow up.
Ellen
7:55 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Sophie, 1. I wasn't talking to you and wouldn't talk to you since you seem to have an anger management problem and 2. it is a completely valid question.
Sophie Masterson
8:11 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
You wouldn't mind if I joined in if I supported your view. But because I oppose it you have a problem. Free speech baby! And despite your proclamation that you "wouldn't talk to me" you are talking to me. But hey, at least you spelled correctly this time around. Nothing about what I said indicates an anger management problem, it just indicates that, in my opinion, for the most part those of you opposing a chicken coop have nothing intelligent to say. But hey, you probably think the same about me, so surprisingly we have something in common!
Why don't you educate yourself on the special use application process a little, or even the definition of special? Special doesn't mean exceptional, it means unusual or uncommon in this context. It is how the city accommodates requests outside the code (like larger sheds, unusual fences, etc.). I'd say a chicken coop in Palatine fits the definition of what a special use is and therefore needs a special use application to be considered.
Ellen
8:32 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
I'm not the one looking for for something special here. The person who is mostly seems to be making enemies here - and that is my idea of "crazy". And, having a spoiled brat of a child backing you is even crazier.
Sophie Masterson
8:44 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Even if I was spoiled, nothing I have said on here indicates that I have been overindulged and that I am not grateful for/do not work for the things I have. Between the spelling problems and the understanding of the English language issues you have, I think it might be a good idea for you to take a refresher writing course or two.
I don't know Vanessa, and I frankly don't give a damn what she does on her property or whether she gets chickens. I just had to speak up at the absolute ignorance and idiocy on here.
I too have now looked at your comment history on here Ellen and all you seem to do on Patch is troll for fights. So enjoy your pathetic excuse for a hobby, because I'm done with you.
Ellen
1:02 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012
Sophie, Sorry about your spelling and grammar OCD issues. No one cares about spelling on the Internet - except those with OCD.
JJ Hawk
12:15 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Speaking of pathetic, I'm on patch after midnight, listening to dogs bark at least a couple of houses down. I'm sure they're barking at the skunks that have been prowling the neighborhood for weeks digging up yards eating all the grubs that chickens could be eating. I'm glad I don't have to worry about chickens attracting predators though, they seem to be attracted just fine. I also bet I wouldn't hear chickens at this hour. I say lets ban dogs too! Good night.
Seeker
2:44 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Give chickens a chance