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District 15 and DTU Still at Odds Over When Negotiations Will Continue

A press release was sent out by District 15 calling for the District 15 Transportation Union to come back to the negotiating table. The union says the request "doesn't make sense to our drivers and aides."

 

Late afternoon Friday, March 15, District 15 sent out two releases; one regarding its desire to move up the contract negotiation timetable with the District 15 Transportation Union (DTU), and the second to provide clarification about the Reduction in Force (RIF) notices to be sent out to the close to 200 school bus drivers and aides that work for the school district

The first release was attributable to District 15 School Board President Tim Millar, the second to District 15 Superintendent Scott Thompson. 

The DTU sent out a release within hours to publically respond to the information sent out by D15. 

"While the next bargaining session has been scheduled for April 16, the board agreed unanimously [in executive session on March 13] to invite [the] DTU to return to negotiations as soon as possible, as early as the week of March 18," said Millar in the statement. 

Millar said the school board team is, "willing and available, to negotiate in the evening, on weekends and through Spring Break in order to make progress toward a contract agreement that is fair and in the best interests of all District 15 stakeholders, particularly our students and families," Millar said. 

DTU President Carin Ulrich responded in the DTU release by stating, "There are five reasons why the stated intent of [Millar's] letter doesn't make sense to our drivers and aides."

Ulrich's list included the following points:

1) During the first (and most recent) formal negotiations on February 25 and 27, D15 presented a contract proposal that eliminated nearly every agreement the DTU and D15 had in the past. Ulrich said the district has not provided, "any substantive explanation for why it chose to strike historic agreements that were written to provide a safe, reliable, professional, effecient and collaborative transportation department.

2) Ulrich claimed D15 continues to confuse the public by claiming its decision to potentially outsource transportation was due to "fiscal responsibility" but after the second round of bids were received from outside transportation companies on Friday, March 15, the union believes millions would be saved by keeping transportation in-house. 

3) "The District has refused to retract its untruthful and highly inflammatory February 28 press release regarding negotiations with DTU. Ulrich referred to the fact that as of 3 p.m., Friday, March 15, the release was still available on the D15 website. 

4) Authorization of RIF notices at the March 13 board meeting, Ulrich said, were not legally required to be agreed upon so early. She said the notices wouldn't have to be sent out until May 26. "The union is deeply puzzled why the district chose to authorize the RIF of 200 dedicated employees..and took that action when there was absolutely no reason to do so at this time," Ulrich said. 

5) Ulrich said the dates of April 16, 18, 23 and 30 were agreed upon by all parties at the last negotiation in late February, and, "the union believes the most recent document released by the district is disingenuous. the words sound good on paper....but the district's actions are empty and hollow," Ulrich said. 

The release from Thompson made clear that the RIF notices do not guarantee layoffs will occur, but rather, "given the uncertainty around the timing, duration, and outcome of the negotiations with DTU, the board must keep open the option of accepting one of the available bids even as we continue to negotiate with the union."

Thompson went on to state that the district is required to provide written notice to all current District 15 transportation employees at least 90 days in advance of possible layoffs, and that the current union contract expires on June 30, 2013. 

Related Topics: DTU, District 15, District 15 School Board, and District Transportation Union

Maryb

10:22 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013

It is tiresome that the DTU does not want to continue to meet with district representatives. If the district reps crossed out sections of the current contract, the reps did not feel they are appropriate in the current environment. This is not too hard to comprehend. The current contract is hardly historic. It was the first contract with a brand new local. It was the first contract after two board of election cycles where the employees of the district and their PACs provided unprecedented amounts of money and manpower to elect a majority. That majority included Bokor, Babcock and Ekeberg who immediately approved unaffordable contracts. Look where we are now, Bokor, Babcock and Ekeberg are running in the April 9 election. The DTU cries ring hollow. Get back to the negotiating table.

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D15parentanddriver

10:05 am on Monday, March 18, 2013

Mary B,
It is obvious by your statement that you have not seen the proposal from the District. Does eliminating 90-95% of the contract sound like "sections" ? How about the elimination of the first of our Beliefs which states, "We believe that all of our efforts should be directed toward benefiting the well being of the students entrusted to us"? Get informed, see the proposal here

http://www.scribd.com/doc/127284466/CCSD15-Board-First-Proposal-2-25-13

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Stephen Bramer

6:40 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013

MaryB: The driver’s union IS meeting with the district. Those meetings are scheduled. There has never been any doubt about the union's willingness to meet, or when it would happen. These dates were agreed to by all parties, including Mr. Millar. Millar is making loud noises about wanting to meet earlier - strictly for PR points - because he knows the union requires some time to get feedback from membership on their now gutted contract. PACs? Are you serious? Everything the DTU does - from their web sites to their Facebook activity is volunteer. Most of it is done by District 15 residents who are either drivers, or parents of students, or both. The political activity is all unpaid and undertaken by people who live and vote in District 15. We all can wish this is what PACs looked like. The bus driver contract is, as it turns out, not only very affordable ... it is the least expensive of all available options. If Mr. Millar and friends are more anxious to negotiate than they were before - part of the reason might be anxiety over the corner they've worked so hard to paint themselves into.

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D B L D

7:42 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013

MaryB
My understanding is that the DTU would love to be meeting with the district 15 negotiating team. The current delay in negotiations is because of district 15 negotiating team members schedules NOT THE DTU. The DTU has agreed to 4 negotiating sessions. The dates were scheduled at the last negotiation meeting by looking at all 14 members of the negotiating teams calendars.
Check your own facts, the financial backing of the board members you refer to came from the CTC (teachers union) not the DTU (transportation union). In fact the DTU did not exist 4 years ago when you insinuate they gave financial support to elect board members.
You refer to the DTU contract as HARDLY HISTORIC when in fact it has been used as a model by many other school districts to maintain control of their transportation departments while giving dignity to thier employees.
Every thing I read from the Dailey Herald, Palatine Patch, CCSD15 Web site and the DTU Web site suggest to me there is more then a CONTRACT involed in these negotiations.

Mark

1:28 am on Monday, March 18, 2013

Maryb, it appears that the DTU is quite friendly towards that former board majority in Babcock, Bokor, and Ekeberg through their election promotion on the DTU Facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/DTU15?ref=ts&fref=ts

If the 2009 election is any guide of what to expect, I anticipate we will see thousands of dollars in direct or in-kind campaign contributions reported April 8 (a day before the election). While the DTU is free to promote and contribute to the candidates of their choice, the sitting board members receiving such gifts (which also includes David Seiffert) have the option of declining them, and publicly denouncing them, as there does appear to be a clear conflict of interest present with their acceptance.

Can you imagine if Tim Millar were running for reelection (which he isn't) and the prospective private bus companies were promoting Tim for reelection what an outcry there would be?

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Stephen Bramer

6:43 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013

Mark: If the drivers’ union owned some majority on the board as you believe, they wouldn’t be losing votes (e.g., the recent vote to distribute pink slips early). No PAC exists for the drivers’ union. Any contributions to these candidates in support of the drivers’ union would come from individual District 15 voters – and not through some ominous PAC. The drivers who live here, and pay taxes here – have as much right as anyone else living here to vote and support candidates. That is not conflict of interest – that’s democracy in motion. Tim Millar is not running for re-election to the board (a nonpaid position) because he is running for District 1 Councilman (a compensated position). In fact, Mr. Millar is running unopposed – a very unlikely state of affairs if (in reality) some high-powered, big-money PAC opposed him. Only one company (Durham) still has an active bid. That one bid is, of course, upwards of $1-2 million more expensive than the current drivers’ contract. If this prospective private bus company (Durham) was promoting Millar for reelection - they’d be doing so as non-citizens since they are part of a UK conglomerate. Their ONLY interest in this is profit. It seems to me that really would be a legitimate conflict of interest.

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D B L D

10:16 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013

Mark
If I read the BOE minutes correctly the DTU did not exist in 2009. Looking at the DTU web site they did not endorse any candidate for the BOE, they did REPRINT the Dailey Heralds BIO of current and former BOE members so people can make an informed choice. VOTE FOR THE CANDIDATE you feel will be best for THE CHILDREN in the district but, be informed and educated before you chose!

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Scott

1:53 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

"they did not endorse any candidate for the BOE, they did REPRINT the Dailey Heralds BIO of current and former BOE members "

They linked to only four of the nine candidates that are running; draw your own conclusions from that.

Palatine Parent

8:18 am on Monday, March 18, 2013

Those 5 points are poor support and pathetic reasoning to stall negotiations at this time. District 15 parents would like to see this negotiation finished - ideally with our drivers back, in house and with a sustainable, sensible contract based on what makes sense now and not historical game playing by Board Members in the pocket of the DTU due to financial contributions. If the stall tactic is an effort to gain time so they can pay their people back into voting position, the public needs to respond to this tactic by NOT voting for candidates paid for by a collective bargaining unit. My children deserve better than that.

It would also be fabulous if the DTU bargaining voice read the contract and reported on it honestly so the truth about pink slips would be clarified once and for all. Did they not notice at the Board Meeting that the two unanimous votes immediately prior to bus driver pink slips were for part time teachers and first and second year probationary teachers? The 90 day pink slip is standard in all of the contracts and means nothing. DTU Leadership - Educate your members, speak for them from a perspective where YOU know and stand behind the facts. DTU Members - Require leadership that can intelligently represent you from a position of strength and knowledge.

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james urban

9:48 am on Monday, March 18, 2013

see the problem is the UNION. Why should there be a union. these public sector unions are the main reason this state is broke. Fire all of them.

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Bucephalus

3:02 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013

Thanks for the deep insightful comment James. Once again you parachute into a topic and provide a comment that has nothing to do with the specific topic at hand.

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Stephen Bramer

6:45 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013

Palatine Parent: No one is more motivated, or more interested, to see this thing resolved than the drivers and their families.

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JB

6:45 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013

Palatine Parent:
There are no board members in the DTU's "pocket". The DTU has no "pocket". The DTU is comprised almost entirely of citizens of Palatine who work hard and pay taxes just like you do. The drivers want to continue to drive the kids to school, and they want their tax dollars to stay in Illinois, not be sent to a company based in the UK.

Jim Wilson

8:48 am on Monday, March 18, 2013

Vote 123 in the April election. Those are the candidates that are in no ones pocket.

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JB

6:47 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013

Jim Wilson: Except Tim Millar's.

Taraxias

11:44 am on Monday, March 18, 2013

The union can negotiate at a later date with the bus company.

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Stephen Bramer

6:50 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013

Taraxias - Not if they've all been replaced by under-qualified, under-paid, out-of-district non-union drivers. One point of interest - how can the bid be higher than the current contract, while wages and benefits with the private company are lower? Answer: Because the private companies charge HUGE management fees (upwards of a million dollars) to conduct these services. The union and board positions are all non-paid. So there is no corresponding fee buried in the current contract.

fortheloveofthekids

2:11 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013

How about electing people with integrity! Forget about those who are endorsed by others, vote the individual who truly has the best interest for the children in this district and the guts to stand up for what they believe in. In reference to the contract... it is quite apparent there is no "good faith" negotiating going on with D15 BOE. The elimination of nearly the entire contract was completely unnecessary and proves a further agenda for D15 BOE negotiators. I also noticed that you can no longer view any of the previous board meetings on line or find any news releases from D15 as of this past weekend. Perhaps the district might really be hiding something from the people in the district.

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JB

7:00 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013

Like the whole 2nd half of the March 13 board meeting? The video on the website only shows the first part. Many citizens addressed the board after Mr Millar suggested that "break".

Vicki Wilson

3:18 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013

Nothing is being hidden:

All the board information from the previous meetings and minutes are posted here by the year:

http://www.ccsd15.net/pages/CCSD15/Board_of_Education_Group/Board_of_Education_Meeting_Dat

All the news information is right on the main page. You can look at older news releases by clicking on more news.
http://www.ccsd15.net/pages/CCSD15

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Stephen Bramer

6:52 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013

Vicki - Except for the very significant parts that the district edited out.

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fortheloveofthekids

1:22 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

After following stories in local papers and receiving district 15 emails, I tried to learn more about the district transportation situation but came to a wall THIS PAST WEEKEND when I could not view recent board meetings or news releases on the D15 website. Might I suggest a convient glitch to update or eliminate info that may be unflattering for the district and the BOE? I am highly educated and can find my way around a website, thank you Vicki. I find many of the comments regarding the transportation outsourcing and the implied fraudulent behavior of the DTU to be condescending and very one sided, while others seem to explain details clearly. I am concerned that people in district 15 may have been mislead by those elected and wonder how many other decisions are in the works that do not have the best interest of the district15 tax payers?

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JB

7:01 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013

Too bad they only included 1/2 of the March 13 board meeting. The citizens that addressed the board after Mr Millar's "break" were edited out!

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D15parentanddriver

9:55 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013

I watched the video, and I was at the board meeting March 13. At approx 1:44.00, right before the break, you can hear Millar say that there are, "5, or 6, or 7 more". This is in reference to how many more citizens address the board were left to speak. I was one of those who spoke. When the video resumes, it is not even the same time. At the very beginning of the video, look behind the board members at the windows. It is dark outside. After the break, look at the windows again. It is light outside. A mistake? or does the board NOT want the public to see what the rest of the citizens have to say. Also missing is the vote to send out the pink slips. And, the nicely prepared speech Millar gave prior to that vote, which obviously was written well in advance, proving that their minds were made up already. Why have the citizens address the board if NOTHING they say will have any impact on the way they vote?

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fortheloveofthekids

1:30 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

Just followed your link to see March 13 meeting video - Meeting Video (video temporarily unavailable)!

PITA

5:10 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013

VOTE 1-2-3 April 9th, or it will be UNION $-$-$.

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c4d

10:06 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013

It is important not to negotiate in public. If all sides sit down, put emotions aside, and put kids first - I am confident we will come up with a negotiated settlement.

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D B L D

11:33 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013

c4d
I must disagree. Negotiations need to be public but, let's not negotiate via the tabloids.He said she said is not public negotiations. GIVE US THE FACTS AS PRESENTED.for negotiation, no mud slinging or inuendoes WE DESERVE FACTS not opinions.
Everything I read says the DTU is concerned for the children. I don't see emotions complicating the situation, I see EGO and political advancement at the exspense of the students from certain retiring BOE members delaying a new contract.

c4d

10:08 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013

If you want solutions - vote #4 on April 9.

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D B L D

10:46 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013

THE VOTERS NEED TO HEAR WHAT THE BOE IS DOING BEHIND CLOSED DOORS

A special BOE meeting can be called with a 48 hour mandatory notice in a public media (AKA PALATINE PATCH). Did you know CCSD 15 computers are restricted from accessing the Palatine Patch? The BOE posts a meeting notice on a non accessible media forum late on Friday for an 8:30 A.M. Monday BOE meeting, . The BOE president is the only member of the BOE present Monday morning so when he calls the meeting to order he seconds his own motion. The meeting starts but, the school superindendant is on the phone seeking legal counsel and no one is paying attention to anyone addressing the BOE
I'm afraid voters are going to throw out BOE members who have stuck thier necks out for the children of the district because they lump all the BOE members together.
VOTERS NEED TO CHECK OUT THE CANDIDATES vote for someone they find has a proven reputation for protecting the children and the future of CCSD 15

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D15parentanddriver

11:06 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013

Great Point D B L D! Employees are also blocked from viewing their yahoo mail, which in many cases is how people (like me) know that the Patch has posted any articles. Ebay can be accessed though.....Go figure!

Mark

12:30 am on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

So much talk about "illegal meetings" by the BOE, editing out of official records, etc. Please, do us all a favor and back up your claims with action. File an official complaint with the Illinois Attorney General:
http://foia.ilattorneygeneral.net/Default.aspx

Perhaps Melanie would even do a full story on these "illegal meetings" if there was even an ounce of truth to these charges, as she has already demonstrated in her own comments to her own articles, how sympathetic she is to the bus drivers.

I'll be looking forward to hearing official charges being filed at PublicAccess@atg.state.il.us and reading about it in the Palatine Patch.

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Stephen Bramer

2:01 am on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

Are you implying these things did not happen (in spite of the wealth of evidence showing they did) - or are you suggesting they weren't illegal? As a taxpayer, I wouldn't see huge benefit spending public funds on District Attorney investigatons into every Millar gaffe, stumble, and slight of hand. The district and the union should spend their time and energy constructively - negotiate in good faith, do it openly, tell the truth. Millar and friends can turn that new leaf beginning with the previously scheduled meetings (once the board returns from their spring vacation travels).

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Stephen Bramer

2:08 am on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

Melanie and the Patch have taken heat from both sides on this. Yet they've done as much as anybody to inform the public, and to provide a forum for public debate. They must be doing something right.

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LS

9:48 am on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

They do have a forum. It is called a Letter to the Editor and it appears the Patch is willing to support and publish these. It would be fantastic if the things published were about the issues and not back and forth slamming the people involved. That type of behavior does nothing to bring us closer to resolution.

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Stephen Bramer

10:16 am on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

LS - Millar and the district enjoy a significant platform advantage over the union. For example, the district has access to email address lists for all District 15 residents. They've used this to their advantage. Progressing the issues will require that both sides are honestly and fully represented. The question of whether elected officials are enabling or obstructing that dialogue is relevant. We've heard that Tim Millar is 'just playing hardball'. To really move ahead with these negotiations ... maybe he just resign himself to playing fair.

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LS

10:28 am on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

Stephen - Do your people know they can send out an email blast to all of the email addresses registered on their change.org petition? I know that does not cover all families in the District but it is a tool they have not used. Before the DTU allows the issue to be their inability to communicate with the constituents and the BofEs ability to communicate, they should make the effort to exhaust all means of communication at their disposal. I am on that petition list and I have not received even one update or call to action tied to the petition.

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Stephen Bramer

10:41 am on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

LS - I'm not sure. Apparently not or I assume they would have used it. They really aren't 'my people'. I imagine they'll genuinely appreciate the pointer though. I'll see if I can pass that message along. Of course, addressing those who have already signed the petition is kind of preaching to the converted. Information on the district site (and through the district email list) is going to reach many more people - and many more undecided people.

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LS

3:33 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

@Stephen - I agree that initially, on one blast, an email list with thousands of email addresses hits thousands of people. This is where the beauty of a grassroots effort comes in. Let's say you have 500 email addresses on the list. You request each of those parents to pass your email forward. If even half of those 500 people forward it to 5 people - you have hit 1,750 parents. Half of those forward to 5 parents - 4,875 parents. Half of those forward to 5 parents - 7,812 parents and your reach is monumentally extended.

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Stephen Bramer

6:56 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

LS - You are so right about the grassroots approach. I have done some of that myself ... my list of friends isn't huge (go figure) but I've asked people to send the messages along. I think its a great approach for the union to take as well.

Friar Tuck

1:11 am on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

Who owns the buses marked district 15.sell the buses that we the tax paying citizens own. The drivers are representatives of the community and give their best efforts to provide the safety of our students. I hope that the district can come to some agreement with the drivers union and provide JOBS for our drivers. If not let's see about your reelection ....

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Mark

2:27 am on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

Stephen, I am suggesting that these are baseless accusations if you or others are unwilling to utilize the Public Access Counsellor of the Illinois Attorney General to validate your claim. Taking advantage of the Public Access Counsellor is routine, not some expensive and flagrant action. The lack of anyone willing too take this action simply reinforces the belief that these charges are without merit.

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Stephen Bramer

3:11 am on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

Mark - Witnesses abound. Anything the District Attorney spends time on costs taxpayer money. You can certainly initiate action with the DA if that is important to you. I'm more interested in seeing the busing situation resolved for my kids.

Stephen Bramer

2:57 am on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

Tim Millar issues a press release imploring the union to ‘come back’ to the negotiating table – which the union never left. The truth is - some meetings were scheduled a little farther apart by everyone’s agreement. The union wanted time for members to look over a contract decimated by Millar. The board wanted to allow for some personal vacation time. Millar’s press release is a lie.
Tim Millar schedules an open, public meeting to allow for citizen input. Millar’s organization then posts public records of the meeting with most of the relevant citizen input deleted. One deleted segment includes very damning financial analysis of the only two existing bids. Millar’s public meeting gambit is a lie.
Tim Millar says the law demands that he send out pink slips to maintain options. But he’s sent the slips earlier than the law demands, and he has no ‘cheaper’ alternative – because the bids are higher than the current union contract. Millar’s pink slip charade is a lie.
Tim Millar says he wants to bargain in good faith – then Millar hands the union a copy of the current contract with nearly everything crossed out, including child safety sections that involve no actual cost to taxpayers. Millar’s good faith claim is a lie.

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Stephen Bramer

2:57 am on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

Tim Millar is simply union busting for personal political gain. He is not bringing any benefit to taxpayers; in fact he’s hurting them. To further his agenda – he lies.
District 15 deserves better, more competent, more honest service and representation than this. Why does Tim Millar hold ANY public office? Why on earth is he being allowed to run for District 1 Councilman unopposed?

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Mark

6:49 am on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

Stephen your ranting about "Tim Millar", "his organization", suggestions he is altering public records, and on and on, especially considering he is soon to be gone from the board in a month, really seems to lose all credibility. You then come up with some lame excuse to not take your issues up, especially the allegedly "illegal meetings", with those who are assigned with a mandate to follow up on them is the icing on the cake. Please take your venom elsewhere. I know Tim Millar and he is the polar opposite of what you describe. If you are upset about possibly losing your job that is understandable, and I can sympathize with that. But please do not start making things up and making baseless charges, dragging good people through the trash just to try to win your arguments.

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Stephen Bramer

9:31 am on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

Mark: I'm not a driver. Tim Millar is head of the board so he has responsibility for these machinations. I didn't bring up legality ... I doubt that any of this ranks highly on that scale. If Tim is a nice guy (and he might be) he should make some of these things right. Was deleting the meeting info an accident? Done by someone else? ... explain that and provide the info in some other way. Give those speakers another platform. Your loyalty to a friend is admirable, but when Mr Millar entered the public arena, his actions in that arena became subject to public scrutiny. Since he is now running (unopposed) for another office - it seems he's willing to accept that scrutiny.

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Stephen Bramer

9:51 am on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

Mark: To clarify ... I'm not a bus driver, a union member, a clerk, or any of that. I'm well employed ... and will be so however this turns out. I'm a district 15 resident and taxpayer who does not want to see my taxes going out to the UK in support of inferior bus services for our kids (of which I have 2).

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Cheryl

7:24 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

I will again state as I did above - I was at the March 13th and spoke to the board. Most of the people that spoke, especially the speech about the financial wrongs being brought to the public, are deleted from the public viewing as was my speech. Also deleted from the viewing was a special needs parent begging the board to keep the current bus drivers for the care and concern they have shown her child. I honestly don't understand why the board says they are all about transparency and want everything out in the open and hack away at the meeting video. What's the answer, Tim Millar and the board?

Scott

9:19 am on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

So somehow Tim Millar is editing the video of the board meeting (taken by a D15 employee who most likely is a CTC member). Or (with only another month on the board) he is making D15 employees do this on his behalf? Who in D15 would risk their job (or criminal prosecution) to do this for an outgoing BOE member? These accusations are all preposterous.

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Stephen Bramer

9:42 am on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

Scott - It doesn't matter so much how or why these things were done. Or even by whom. In every case there have been rooms full of people who've provided first hand accounts that they WERE done. By virtue of his leadership position on the board, Mr. Millar is responsible for board activity. That also positions him to make these things right. Give those speakers the opportunity to post their comments publicly - possibly in writing. As Tim attempts to move forward in his political career - that might be a better approach.

Scott

10:51 am on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

First you allege illegal acts were done, then you say it doesn't matter how, why, or who did them? Sounds like backpedaling from an unprovable position. Either contact the authorities about your allegations or drop them.

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Stephen Bramer

11:24 am on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

Scott: You are blasting at multiple people - apparently without knowing who you want to address. I didn't use the word illegal, someone else posted that. I'd just call some of this stuff underhanded. If there are legal implications ... I wouldn't know or really care. For all I know, someone might be pursuing that – I have no inside track. I do know these things really happened, and they were self-serving to the district. No one is going to back off of any of that. Your thinking is wishful. The whole legal investigation angle is your hop-up-and-down. I care about resolving the bus contract - which will require honesty and good intentions not yet shown by either Mr Millar (it was his press release ... he's the board president) or by the district. If these things were not intentional - why don't they fix them? I know that the honest, even handed thing for Millar and the district to do now is to correct what they can, and begin to negotiate fairly.

Scott

10:52 am on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

If you have problems with the video that is online I would take that up with Super Thompson; that person works for him.

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Stephen Bramer

11:27 am on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

Thanks. I'll see about passing that advice along. Does Tim Millar happen to have the Super's phone number?

Sub-Bus

11:43 am on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

No Thompson works for Millar

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Scott

12:53 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

You may figure Thompson works for the BOE but the videographer works for Thompson. Dr Thompson's contact info is on the website.

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Vicki Wilson

1:09 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

I'll keep repeating for those reading and not commenting: Please look to the motivations of those who spread misinformation...particularly if it is financially motivated. Those who say they are not employed as a bus driver may be leaving out the fact a spouse or family member is.

Tim Millar, as is true for all the BOE members, do not get paid for representing the community on the Board.

I also can appreciate those who are concerned about what outsourcing might mean for them personally. However, please keep in mind spreading misinformation does not help anyone. Misleading people regarding your motivations is also bad form. Just be honest...say you/your wife/husband/family member is concerned about "fill in the blank".

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Bucephalus

2:12 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

Geez Vicki, everybody is a "union stooge" in your world. Why is it so hard for you to believe that there are actually people in the community for whom dollar signs are not the be-all and end-all of any educational discussion?

Why is it so hard for you to wrap your head around the fact that there are taxpaying citizens of D15, like myself, who are not employed by the district (although I am not sure why a D15 employee who is also a Palatine resident is somehow worth less in this discussion), and who thoroughly disagree with you, your pronouncements, your policies, and your candidates?

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Stephen Bramer

4:02 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

Vicki - I assume you are talking, at least in part, about my earlier post. Since I'm one of the few people here using my real name, it's pretty easy to figure out who I am. There is a difference between misinformation and not plastering other people's personal information over the web. No private citizen is obliged to provide that to you or to anyone else. That said - My wife is a driver. I am not affiliated with the district in any other way. We are not financially dependent on the district. I didn't mention my wife earlier because I think that’s HER prerogative. I discussed this current post with her before submitting it, but in general I speak only for myself.

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Stephen Bramer

4:03 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

Vicki - From what I've read - all of the misinformation has been coming from the district. As someone trying to correct that misinformation - my motivations are these: 1) I think those in elected positions should be held to the highest standards of honesty and diligence. When they fail in that, they should be held accountable. I've seen that the district’s words and actions have not aligned on this issue. That bothers me as a citizen. 2) I brought two kids through district 15 and I know the difference in quality that in-house busing provides. That matters to me as a parent. 3) I know the union contract is substantially less expensive to taxpayers than the last remaining bid. That matters to me as a tax payer. 4) I think outsourcing is an over-used management panacea which usually backfires in the end. That matters to me as a cog in a flagging economy. 5) I know my wife loves her work. That matters to me … just because. I hope this assuages any concerns you might have regarding my identity and motivation. Here’s hoping you can get some of your pseudonymous friends to identify themselves as well.

Sub-Bus

1:30 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

@Scott-- I said that Tim Millar is Scott Thompsons Boss, the community voted for Millar at the elections and the exiting BOE voted for him to be president. The last BOE hired Thompson and September 12, 2012 gave him a 1.5 % raise in which his salary is up to $224,000. and future salary adjustments will be determained based on performance. The BOE also extended his contract another 5 yrs till 2016-2017 school year. The videographer?? If there is even such a person that exists, since now a days we all have video recorders that do the job. Millar knows what he's doing He has a Science degree in computer science. He's no dummy!

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Driver-parent-voter

1:39 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

I' glad they took the video was taken down. I was one of the people that spoke after the break....and now feel like my comments fell on deaf ears. A lot of people cant make those board meetings and they should be able to view the video....all of it. I feel like they were going vote to send the pink slips also because Millar read his script before the vote....they had already made up their minds....

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Scott

1:44 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

"The videographer?? If there is even such a person that exists, since now a days we all have video recorders that do the job"

I guess you havent been to a BOE meeting and seen the man in the back of the room.

Oh wait - most people commenting about the BOE have never been to a meeting.

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Stephen Bramer

2:17 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

In all of this - I haven't seen anyone from the district respond regarding the fact that the only bid remaining on the table (Durham) is higher than the current bus drivers contract. This seems to be a pretty essential point. Why has that not been addressed?

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D15parentanddriver

2:42 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

Stephen, great point. I might add that in the second half of the video that is "MIA", is the financial analysis by Herb Rocha, proving that keeping transportation in house is far less costly than even the lowest bid, Durham. He took Mike Adamczyk's financial analysis, and disputed his findings. Herbs findings were presented at a previous "special meeting" that was not videotaped. He again presented the same findings at the March 13 board meeting, to make it known to the public. Is it a mistake, or convenience that that part of the meeting was left out? Hopefully if and when the video in it's entirety shows up on the website, people will pay particular attention to Herb's findings.

D15parentanddriver

2:28 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

Scott: Since when is it not allowed to recommend someone for office? Don't you vote for the President, Governor, Mayor, etc based on who will do right by you? Those who do not want to see the Transportation Department get outsourced, ie; parents, taxpayers, and yes....employees are doing nothing more than recommending those who will work towards what is best for the children in this district. No one is holding a gun to anyone's head to make them vote one way, or another. Let's face it, school board elections, unlike Presidential elections do not get a lot, if any media attention. Yard signs are pretty much the extent of their campaigning. The rest is done by people spreading the word in whatever way they can to let their friends, neighbors, and others know where the candidates stand on issues. And again just to reiterate, the DTU DOES NOT FUND ANY CANDIDATE. We are bus drivers and assistants who, when you calculate how much we earn over the course of a year, don't make 6 figure incomes, not even close. We can't afford to give money to a campaign. All of the Candidates Bio's running for School Board are out there. Those who care, can find them if they wish. I don't know you from Adam, but I can probably guess that at least once in your life you have had a conversation or debate with someone over candidates running for office.

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D15parentanddriver

3:51 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

Scott: I will mark my calandar. I am 100% behind my statement that the IEA/NEA as far as the DTU (I cannot and won't speculate about the CTC) funds the campaigns in any way.

Scott

3:29 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

d15parent - I'm fine with the DTU supporting candidates. Just don't pretend they don't ("they did not endorse any candidate for the BOE, they did REPRINT the Dailey Heralds BIO of current and former BOE members ")

The DTU is part of the IEA/NEA - we'll find out *after* the election how much mony was poured into the campaigns of these four candidates.

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Stephen Bramer

4:16 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

Scott - It's on their web site. How's that hidden? Get over it. Instead of parsing people's posts here - why not address the real issue (or ask our board to do so). The only remaining bid is for more money than the current drivers' contract costs taxpayers. That is a fact. Given that both sides seem to acknowledge the benefits of kids being bussed by their neighbors rather than strangers ... and given the fact that we now know the better (in-house) solution is also cheaper ... what more is there to discuss? Let's congratulate Millar's board on their due diligence ... award the drivers the contract they deserve ... and move on with our lives. Whaddaya say?

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Scott

4:19 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

Stephen - read what I've quoted. People keep saying the DTU *has not* endorsed anyone. You and I agree they have.

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Stephen Bramer

5:37 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

Scott - They seem to be openly acknowledging the candidates are mentioned on their site. How could they not? I think they are saying that is not a formal endorsement. I don't honestly know what would constitute a formal endorsement, and I gotta say - that's not a major issue in my life. Really - I think we've all gone miles off the important issues on this thread (I'll raise my hand ... to some extent ... guilty). I think the issues are ... what's best for the kids and for the tax payers as far as school bussing next year. The union is cheaper, and better for kids. I don't see anyone disputing either of those things. What's really left to argue about?

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Stephen Bramer

6:13 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

Scott - To clarify one thing ... the candidate info is on a Facebook page, not on the union's web site. As I said, I think they've stopped well short of any actual endorsements.

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Scott

10:18 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

"the candidate info is on a Facebook page, not on the union's web site."

a distinction without a difference.

and both repeatedly link to the IEA NEA page

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Stephen Bramer

4:51 am on Wednesday, March 20, 2013

I'm not sure of the importance really. Individuals own Facebook pages while organizations sponsor web pages? Just a guess. Anyway – if this is a big deal to you then sleuth away. For my part - I’m quite certain the vast majority of union members, their friends, and their families will vote for Babcock, Bokor, Seiffert, and Ekeberg in the upcoming (on April 9th) elections for District 15 Board of Education. That’s positions 5, 7, 8, and 9 on the ballot – (remember to vote April 9th). I think most concerned citizens of the district will be wise enough to vote on April 9th for these four (5,7,8,9). In fact, I hope you will give YOUR vote to these deserving candidates (5,7,8,9 - Babcock, Bokor, Seiffert, and Ekeberg). I think they’ll appreciate your support. I know I do.

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Palatine Parent

8:11 am on Wednesday, March 20, 2013

Wow. That is a ridiculously simplified comment that certainly does not support the issue that is behind all board conversations for the past 6 years... Fiscal responsibility. ¿¿Why not vote the folks who started this whole mess right back in hoping they will blindly support a contract with the DTU that the responsible board members and candidates may turn out to be supporting anyway once the negotiating period is over?? If you look back to the last teacher's contract that was not sustainable, the end result of not making it work (thank goodness the Board and CTC did make it work) was that many of us would have lost our jobs in order to try to get within budget. Aides, teachers, etc. We do not need to go back to worrying about jobs because of bad financial decision making at the top. Each candidate needs to be looked at on thier own. History is an important determining factor on where we do not want to go.

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Stephen Bramer

8:49 am on Wednesday, March 20, 2013

Palatine Parent - You are thanking someone for making an unsustainable contract work? I detect a certain element of contradiction in your largely incoherent post. Other persons who are somewhat informed (and able to write in complete sentences) think these candidates have cleaned up some significant messes. See today's Daily Herald - wherein all four of these candidates are endorsed.

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Palatine Parent

9:29 am on Wednesday, March 20, 2013

Mr. Bramer - My point, which you misinterpreted, was that the contract in place prior to the current contract was unsustainable. This contract was produced with leadership from Ekeberg with Bokor and Babcock fully supporting. The current BOE has produced a sustainable contract and made an effort to balance the budget as opposed to asking for money to bail out of a deficit situation. I'm not seeing the messes your four candidates have cleaned up just as I'm not seeing the endorsements you state in the online Herald endorsements section. Maybe you could provide a link to the endorsements you state are out there?

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Stephen Bramer

10:40 am on Wednesday, March 20, 2013

Palatine Parent: If I understand you now, you are saying that the current teachers’ contract fixes problems with the previous one. Since three of these candidates are incumbents running for reelection, they helped bring the current contract about. That’s a mess cleaned up. I’m not sure what the Herald has online right now, but in this morning’s print edition, section 1, page 14, the ‘Opinion’ section, under the sub-heading ‘For Palatine Dist. 15 schools’ … they endorse Babcock, Bokor, Seiffert, and Ekeberg. The Herald talks about “the district … moving ahead in positive ways with a greater sense of collaboration at various levels” and they say the three incumbents “should be reelected”. They also like Ekeberg’s “… willingness … to speak unpleasant truths about the budget … “. I’ve obviously pulled these bits quickly … so they are out of context. You can read the piece yourself – but the endorsement is not ambiguous.

LS

3:44 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

This Board has been transparent. They have allowed conversation on topics and they have created committees - including the Communication Committee - which did not exist with the prior Board of Education. The Communication Committee specifically supported conversation on Late Start / Early Release when it became clear that this was a concern to many parents in District 15. The Communication Committee of the current Board of Education hosted a forum where we all were able to state our thoughts and opinions ensuring that the Board heard our concerns. They did not have to do this, but chose to do the right thing for the families of the children in District 15. They further supported multiple surveys in order to garner the opinions of the stakeholders and have shown a preparedness to act on the information gathered. I can appreciate that creating the opportunity for discussion was a show of support and interest in hearing the thoughts and opinions of stakeholders even though the process does not allow for shared conversation at the regular Board Meetings.

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Stephen Bramer

4:22 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

Before we canonize Millar and folks - how about we ask them to do the obvious right thing? The union is cheaper than outsourcing. The local solution is better for kids. Renew the contract.

Mark

5:00 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

I believe Tim Millar has already been "cononized", as well as torpedoed, run through the mud, and slandered at least by some. As for the contract, that is a negotiating matter between the union and the district. It is not up to Tim to "renew" it. Heck, he will be long gone before any possibility for a contract renewal as the current one ends at the end of June. And last I knew Tim only had one vote on the board. Anyone is free to tell the entire board anything at any open meeting.

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Stephen Bramer

5:21 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

All of which neatly side-steps the crux of this. The contract is now proven to be the best option for kids and taxpayers. Tim, and those posting here, should use their influence to do the right thing. Get the contract renewed. They don't have to wait until June.

Mark

5:26 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

Stepen Bramer, looking back at your post where you state: "Mark: To clarify ... I'm not a bus driver, a union member, a clerk, or any of that. I'm well employed ... and will be so however this turns out. I'm a district 15 resident and taxpayer who does not want to see my taxes going out to the UK in support of inferior bus services for our kids (of which I have 2)."

Google is a powerful tool. For the sake of transparency, let me ask you something. Does your wife work at CCSD15 as a bus driver?

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Stephen Bramer

5:40 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

Mark - I already said so. You had the Google opportunity because I've used my real name from the beginning. Let me ask ... for the sake of transparency ... who the heck are you mystery man?

Bucephalus

5:35 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

1: Mark, Stephen already answered your question at 4:02 PM. Please try reading previous comments.

2: Why are you and Vicki so obsessed with what his wife does? It doesn't change what he is saying. You and Vicki cannot wrap your heads around the fact that there are Palatine residents and taxpayers who disagree with you guys.

3: Before obsessing over Stephan's wife, perhaps you could answer the claim about Durham's last bid? Is Stephan making that up or are you guys actually wrong and the union's offer is the cheapest and best?

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Stephen Bramer

5:42 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

In fairness ... I don't think they've even claimed the union doesn't beat Durham's bid. They've neatly avoided even addressing that as far as I can see.

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John Parker

6:31 pm on Monday, March 25, 2013

1) Horse, The fact is, that overwhelmingly the community disagrees with you and your opinions.

Vicki Wilson

5:42 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

It's called transparency. He made a declaration that ... I'm not a bus driver, a union member, a clerk, or any of that. I'm well employed ... and will be so however this turns out. I'm a district 15 resident and taxpayer"

He left out an important fact. Those who have nothing to hide, hide nothing.

I am not on the BOE and haven't reviewed the bid. Do I think the BOE is going to vote to spend more money just to outsource? Absolutely not.

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Stephen Bramer

6:10 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

Vicki - As I explained to you, I didn't speak for my wife because that is her place not mine. I speak for myself. I've been using my real, full name from the beginning of this thread. Mark had no trouble figuring out who I am. I haven't hidden anything. I'm not a bus driver or a union member or any of that other stuff. When you asked for more info, I gave it to you - even though you have no claim to that info. You are grasping at straws.

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Bucephalus

7:14 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

Vicki, could you please tell us your occupation, that of your husband, whether or not you've paid property taxes in D15, and which D15 schools your children attended? I'm not trying to pry, I just think in the interests of transparency we deserve those answers. After all, you have nothing to hide.

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John Parker

6:46 pm on Monday, March 25, 2013

Great comment Vicki Wilson. Please keep up the good work.

John

Stephen Bramer

6:24 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

Vicki - Also ... I gotta say. You are confused in some fundamental ways. Transparency is what elected representatives and governments owe their constituents. Private citizens (such as my wife) have a right to … can you guess … privacy. You really should try to figure out where those lines are drawn and why. You might be able to pick up some pretty good civics classes over at Harper. Your guesses about what the board might do aren’t particularly useful. But (now here’s where that concept of civic responsibility comes into play) if you believe they SHOULDN’T vote to put a more expensive and inferior solution in place … you should contact your elected representatives on the board and let them know that.

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Stephen Bramer

6:31 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

Mark, Scott, Vicki, Tim ... anybody ... Do any of you claim that the Durham bid beats the union contract, or that outsourcing provides a better solution for kids?

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Scott

6:33 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

I Don't know; that is what the process is for.

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Stephen Bramer

6:43 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

and the process has provided those answers - but the information has yet to be put in front of the public.

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Scott

10:17 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

stephen - non of us are privy to the results of the process, yet you're sure of what is the best outcome? Makes no sense logically.

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Stephen Bramer

10:44 am on Wednesday, March 20, 2013

Scott – The results are definitely known to some. Everyone who has seen the bids knows. The district and the union have both seen the bids. But the district hasn't provided those results to the public. Durham is the only remaining bid. Durham's first bid was for more than the current union contract - largely because of management fees. Durham's second bid came in even higher. I believe you when you say you don't know this. The question I think you should be asking is ... why you don't know this.

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csilbdmil

11:35 am on Wednesday, March 20, 2013

Stephen, Mark, Scott, Vicki, Tim, everybody.... You all are bringing up a good point. Where is the last Bid of March 15. I've read that there were 2 bidders. First Student did a non-bid (considered a bid), and Durham submitted a new bid. It sounds like all you folks have influence to get the District to post that bid on their website for the taxpaying public to view. Where is that transparency? Can you folks get the School District and the Board to reveal the Durham bid detail on the District website? You folks are all good, keep up the chatter. Free speech is good and informative, no matter which side you are on. Many of us really are just trying to follow what is happening, especially with the District having so many secret executive meetings behind closed doors and special short notice board meetings without recording them, and your knowledge base is helping to inform us. I think you all, as the rest of us, are just trying to get the facts and truths and some transparency from the District. The latest bid details should be shown, wouldn't you all agree?

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Stephen Bramer

11:51 am on Wednesday, March 20, 2013

csilbdmil - You've got me lumped in with the wrong crew. I'm in agreement with you. The district should make these results public. Believe me, if I had any influence they'd already be public.

Jeff S

7:44 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

I can only hope The city coucil will keep Timmy in check. Next stop for Timmy? mayor? senate?

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D B L D

8:04 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

@Jeff S
one can only hope.........concilman, mayor, senate, govenor and then CLUB FED like Blagoavich. Maybe he can skip a few steps. FOIA requests may prove he deserves a "GO DIRECTLY TO JAIL" card instead of a COLLECT $200 card. It does seem he is playing a game with peoples lives at times.

Stephen Bramer

12:52 pm on Wednesday, March 20, 2013

This just in: I haven't confirmed it myself, or viewed the newly posted video for completeness but "Driver-parent-voter" just posted at 11:08 am today that

"The 2nd part of the video is up!! 2 hours!!"

If this is true, this is certainly a positive development, and a credit to whomever at the district worked to get it done. Now if the district will confirm the details of the Durham bid ... and resume negotiations with a copy of the existing contract that hasn't been completely expunged... this thing can begin to move toward resolution.

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Scott

2:24 pm on Wednesday, March 20, 2013

"having so many secret executive meetings behind closed doors and special short notice board meetings without recording them"

Actually if you follow any BOE you'll see this is quite normal. Boards go into Executive Session often to discuss the stuff they cant discuss in public yet (personnel issues, contact negotiotions, etc). They cant make the decisions in private; they have to be voted on in public.

Also - I believe Executive Sessions are audio taped (but not for the public; the members have to be able to speak freely to each other in Executive Session); they are never video taped.

Ask any BOE member and they can explain this is not out of the ordinary.

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D15parentanddriver

3:46 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013

Not to say that I don't love the patch, but I know someone out there questioned that the cadidates Bokor, Babcock, Seiffert, and Ekeberg were officially endorsed, by the Daily Herald. Here you go;

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20130320/discuss/703209767/?interstitial=1

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John Parker

6:43 pm on Monday, March 25, 2013

to Bucephalus the hiding horse that wrote..........................
7:14 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013
Vicki, could you please tell us your occupation, that of your husband, whether or not you've paid property taxes in D15, and which D15 schools your children attended? I'm not trying to pry, I just think in the interests of transparency we deserve those answers. After all, you have nothing to hide.
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ok Bucephauls the hiding horse....
What is your name, occupation etc, horse?
We deserve answers don't we?
Where do your kids go to school?

................horse hypocrisy? absolutely...................

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Bucephalus

7:22 pm on Monday, March 25, 2013

I am not the one doubting Stephen Bramer's identity. Vicki claimed he wasn't bring truthful. Why should we automatically believe that she is?

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Bucephalus

10:00 pm on Monday, March 25, 2013

John also forgot to mention that he doesn't live in Palatine. He lives in Burr Ridge. But why should we expect him to mention that?

John Parker

7:41 pm on Monday, March 25, 2013

Vicky isn't the one hiding like a horse. Once you identify yourself, Coach, people might take you seriously.

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John Parker

7:51 pm on Monday, March 25, 2013

Everyone,

Please take the time to watch the second speaker. He is Palatine's elected district representative. He is doing his job to bring the view of the community to the school board. Please pass this video clip to everyone you know. We need more people like Tom.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG5oBYiUqrc

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Palatine Parent

10:43 pm on Monday, March 25, 2013

But he certainly makes a great point Buchephalus. Where do you live? Who are you?

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Bucephalus

10:54 pm on Monday, March 25, 2013

It doesn't matter who I am, who Stephen Bramer is, who Vicki Wilson is, or who you are. What matters are the things that are said and whether they are true or not.

John Parker ignores discussion. He only posts the same youtube video in response to everyone, regardless of what is asked. He could respond to Stephen's claims. He could respond to mine. Instead he obsesses over who I am and not what I say.

Palatine Parent, I don't care what your name is, what your job is, or where you live. You made a point and asked me a question. I am responding not to your name (though it is ironic that you demand my name while also hiding yours) but instead to the content of your post.

In any case I am a Palatine resident. I have lived in Palatine for three and a half years now. I bought my house in the Pleasant Hill school district last year. I choose not to share anything else because I don't want Google searches to bring up the Palatine Patch. I choose to control, as much as possible, my name on the internet.

John Parker

6:45 am on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

John Parker is right on the money with his comments. I back up everything I say with verifiable facts. A horse is a horse of course but has no credibility on this thread.

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Stephen Bramer

7:57 am on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

John Parker – Of all the people on this thread, I think only three are using real names. Each individual has the right to make that decision on their own and there are plenty of good reasons not to provide personal information of any kind online. The truth is, even having given names we have offered no proof of who we really are. Any of us could be anybody. You could actually be Michele Bachmann operating under a pseudonym. I’ll do you the courtesy of assuming you really are John Parker, particularly since your actual identity is irrelevant to anything you say here.

Obviously, the only thing that matters here is what each person has to say. On that score, I’m not certain what it is that you ARE trying to say. As you’ve suggested, I’ll go listen to the 2nd speaker at your link to see if that sheds any light.

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Stephen Bramer

9:21 am on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

John Parker - I watched the video indicated by your link above. I assume the first speaker is you and that your interest in this is really from the perspective of governmental debt, based on your affiliation with Tax Payers United. I listened to some of what you had to say and then, based on your recommendation above, skipped to the second speaker. I didn't hear either of you mention the District 15 bussing situation specifically. So I'm left to assume that whatever stand you are taking here (not yet clear to me what that is) that stand is driven by a desire to avoid debt and raised taxes. Let me know if I'm wrong there. I just want to point out to you that the current union contract has now proven to be the lowest cost option, and therefore the best option for taxpayers. At some point the board is going to have to release that information to the public. That being the case, and if frugality is primarily what concerns you ... can we assume we'll have your support and the support of Tax Payers United? If not, why not?

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John Parker

5:18 pm on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

to Steve Bramer,
You make several assumptions. My only goal is to bring the view of the community to the school board so they can do their job responsibly. Is this what you are talking about? Even though (2) of our State Representatives have spoken to the school board directly D-211 thumbed their noses at them. A reasonable person that can see the big picture knows Illinois is in trouble. I was hoping that the school board would show some leadership and set a precedent for other districts to follow. If they don't Illinois will be forced to pass laws and take away even more of our freedom to run our own school district. The situation is grave in my view and paying teachers $100k on average in D-211 is unsustainable.
Is this what you mean Steve?

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Stephen Bramer

6:13 pm on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

John - I'm a member of the community and you certainly don't speak for me. I've asked around, and none of the people I've spoken to believe you speak for them either. Have you been elected to, or appointed to, any position that makes you our spokesman? Or was this a self appointment? If you legitimately find yourself in such a position (an unlikely prospect) then I hope you'll put a little more effort into discovering what we'd like to have you say. As it is - I read from you a bunch of platitudes and word salad. I still haven't read anything from you that relates directly to the bus union discussions. Since you asked ... that's what I'm talking about.

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John Parker

7:54 pm on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

Steve, Once again you have based your conclusions on many false assumptions.
read on........

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20111208/news/712089634/?interstitial=1
State Rep. Michelle Mussman, a Schaumburg Democrat, was on hand to voice her opinion on the tax levy. She is an opponent of the recent income tax increase, and earlier this year explored legislation that would prevent levy increases when the taxing body's total equalized assessed value is lower than that of the previous year.

"Overwhelmingly, the number one issue on people's minds is their property taxes," Mussman said prior to the board's vote. "There's a growing frustration that property taxes continue to increase while family incomes have frozen or decreased.
"I strongly encourage you seek every possible alternative method of cost savings before asking the residents to pay more," she added.
Steve, I asked two State Elected Representatives to speak to the D-211 School Board on *behalf of the citizens of the community*. They both came and spoke the the entire BOE in D-211 at their regularly scheduled meeting. I can post the video clip again if you want.
If there is anyone in D-15 that also uses D-211 the facts may help them choose a qualified candidate for the school board. Somtimes we need to look past the bus issue.

Steve, Our State Elected Representatives represent us, not you or me.
I hope this clears things up for you and your friends.

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Stephen Bramer

8:52 pm on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

John:
You refer to these same quotes a lot. Do you understand the substance of what these people were saying yourself? The people you quote were talking about frugality in public spending. In the current discussion – regarding the District 15 Bus Driver’s Union contract – frugality argues in favor of renewing the DTU contract. It is now proven to be more cost effective than outsourcing. The only remaining bid came in higher. So … these quotes support the DTU’s position. If this was your intent, I thank you for your thoughtful contribution.

You talk about conclusions and assumptions that you don't identify, much less provide counter-arguments to. You offer quotes that support the position opposite the one you seem to be taking. You seem to be your own worst enemy. I won't presume to speak for anyone else (even my friends) but I, myself, do appreciate your efforts more than you can know.

John Parker

7:55 pm on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

A platitude is simply a truth repeated until people get tired of hearing it.
I use them because the liberal progressives still don't understand.

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Stephen Bramer

8:24 pm on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

John Parker ...

Merriam Webster - defines
platitude:
1: the quality or state of being dull or insipid
2: a banal, trite, or stale remark

www.thefreedictionary.com/platitude

While the free online dictionary defines it as:
plat•i•tude (pl t -t d , -ty d ). n.
1. A trite or banal remark or statement, especially one expressed as if it were original or significant.

Apparently you use them because, like definitions, you are unclear on the difference between what is real and what you've pulled out of your hat.

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John Parker

8:48 pm on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

Stephen Brammer,
plat·i·tude/ˈplætəˌtu:d, Brit ˈplætəˌtju:d/noun
plural plat·i·tudes
[count] disapproving: a statement that expresses an idea that is not new
▪ His speech was filled with familiar platitudes about the value of hard work and dedication. -(liberal progressives still don't get it)-my opinion.
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Like I said Steve,
Our State Elected Representatives represent us, not you or me.
I hope this clears things up for you and your friends. I will continue to say it untill you and your friends understand.

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Stephen Bramer

10:34 am on Wednesday, March 27, 2013

John Parkker:

This is an excellent new skill, the ability to look up definitions. The next developmental step would be learning to understand those definitions. Ultimately, of course, one hopes to move sufficiently forward to use the words meaningfully in sentences of one's very own.

But, I'm sorry, I don't mean to jump ahead ... you do understand the reason for looking up definitions? To clarify, we do that to determine what reliable authorities, outside the confines of our own skulls, understand the meaning of a word to be. This allows us to arrive at common understandings of meaning - which in turn enables the construction of coherent sentences. Finally, and this is the real kicker, our goal is to string sentences together in such a way as to convey cogent thought.

To speed you on your way, in this journey toward the competent use of language, I can suggest a few words and definitions that you’ll want to get under your belt:
Conservative, liberal, representative, democratic, republic, elected, union, school, bus, board, taxpayer, frugality, bid … [there are certainly others but this should get you started]

You’ll probably want to do some review on the actual meaning of the word ‘platitude’ as well.

John Parker

6:48 am on Wednesday, March 27, 2013

Steve, it is apparent that you still don't understand. It's ok Steve. Take care of the buss issue. Your comments on this thread will help, right?
I hope that there are people in D-15 that are more concerned about the big picture and vote for candidates that can put us on the right track.

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Stephen Bramer

7:16 am on Wednesday, March 27, 2013

Very good then John. Have a nice day.

John Parker

6:21 pm on Wednesday, March 27, 2013

to Steve Bremmer, Trading insults with you is like dueling with an unarmed man. Swallow your pride occasionally, it's non-fattening. It is far more impressive when others discover your good qualities without your help. Please re read what I wrote until you understand my point.

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Stephen Bramer

10:35 pm on Wednesday, March 27, 2013

Thanks John. I'll take all of that under advisement, and I'll certainly put all the time into your contributions that they deserve. If I happen to come upon anything that warrants further discussion I'll get back to you.

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John Parker

4:30 pm on Thursday, March 28, 2013

Thanks Steve, I think you missed the bus.

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D B L D

6:30 pm on Thursday, March 28, 2013

@ Stephen Bramer & John Parker in alphabetical order (I respect your views)
you both have had great comments in the past but, it seems to be getting personal for both of you. LET'S GET BACK TO FACTS and stop attacking others PLEASE??
Share your knowledge and insite so the voting public can make an informed decision by April 9TH instead of sending people to the polls SCARED and voting with their hearts instead of their minds.
This post is about .."District 15 and DTU Still at Odds" that being said..
We need professional, quality driven, cost concious (not penney pinchers), accountable BOE members without personal political motives to make decisions affecting the students in CCSD 15. If you agree with me research the 9 candidates running for the 4 BOE vacant positions and VOTE BY APRIL 9 for the 4 candidates YOU FEEL have the best interest of the CHILDREN as their primary goal.

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Stephen Bramer

7:29 pm on Thursday, March 28, 2013

DBLD: For me, the John Parker stuff is just silliness. In general though, I think your approach is a good one.

Martin Smithe

7:39 pm on Thursday, March 28, 2013

John Parker isn't even a palatine resident? Why does he comment about d15 and busing?

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D B L D

8:28 pm on Thursday, March 28, 2013

MARTIN. BECAUSE HE CAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No one is blocked from commenting. WE need to analize any comments made here for their motive. as I stated earlier today;
"If you agree with me research the 9 candidates running for the 4 BOE vacant positions and VOTE BY APRIL 9 for the 4 candidates YOU FEEL have the best interest of the CHILDREN as their primary goal."
In my opinion Tim Millar has used his position as BOE president for personal political gain. He has a vendeta against the DTU because he was embarassed when the DTU was formed and made him look like a F@@L and an A@@ a few years ago.
Tim move on please, you have hurt the children enough! Your late start/early dismissal agreement with the CTC without any valid research will haunt the district for years! Your desire for the bussing outsource issue will cost all school districts around the state millions of dollars now that the ISBE legal department has made a ruling on State reimbursements for outsource funding reimbursements and will be auditing all reimbursements over the past 4 years.

Stephen Bramer

9:05 pm on Thursday, March 28, 2013

DBLD: I'm looking around for the 'like' link here ... it's gone missing. I like what you have to say though.

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D B L D

9:43 pm on Thursday, March 28, 2013

Steve
Like I said earlier,you have had great commets in the past. PLEASE share facts so everyone can see the twisted agenda of some of the BOE
give Jud a big hug from all of us (the DTU) for all she is doing (if I tried I think she would break my arm) she is a one man (YOU) WOMAN. you ARE A LUCKY MAN

Mark

10:35 am on Friday, March 29, 2013

D B L D: In an earlier post you were rightfully telling John and Steve to tone down their posts as they seemed to be getting too personal. You then turn right around and out of the blue start personally attacking Tim Millar. You just lost all credibility in my mind. To claim that Tim "has hurt the children" is very insulting and shameful coming from you. Clearly all you care about is yourself and potential impact to your finances. Please do not imply otherwise.

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D B L D

3:04 pm on Friday, March 29, 2013

Mark
what I posted to Steve and John was "you both have had great comments in the past but, it seems to be getting personal for both of you. LET'S GET BACK TO FACTS and stop attacking others PLEASE??
Share your knowledge and insite so the voting public can make an informed decision by April 9TH"
I felt they were off issue and attacking each other.
I then stated "IN MY OPINION" and that is what I posted MY OPINION, you can have yours, I have mine. I did not attack Tim Millar, I gave MY OPINION of what he has been doing. You tell me, has he called BOE meetings to order with only 1 board member present? Has he gone into executive session with only 2 board members present? By law a quarum of the BOE is required to be present to hold a meeting or go into executive session. Those are two of the blatant things he has done in public. Rumors abound, we read some on these posts. I believe you asked "Please be sure to check facts". If I mis stated any FACT please correct me. Sorry you can't correct MY OPINION just because you don't agree.
I'm still trying to find any where that I posted anything to make you say "Clearly all you care about is yourself and potential impact to your finances. Please do not imply otherwise." CHECK YOUR FACTS

Stephen Bramer

11:32 am on Friday, March 29, 2013

Mark: "Clearly all you care about is yourself and potential impact to your finances." is also very personal and insulting. Insulting others while affecting a staid tone is no less insulting.
Mr. Millar, as an elected public official has placed his conduct in that role open to public critique.
"Please do not imply otherwise." is telling someone else what opinion to express, which is not under your purview.

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Stephen Bramer

11:49 am on Friday, March 29, 2013

Again to the real issues: In-house union bussing is shown to be the most cost effective solution for taxpayers, and is also best for our children by general agreement.

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G. Baker

11:54 am on Friday, March 29, 2013

Union busing: Cheaper for taxpayers, better for kids.

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D B L D

3:23 pm on Friday, March 29, 2013

@ Steve and G. Baker
let's split hairs for Mark. In-House bussing is proving to be less exspensive so it's better for taxpayers. In-House bussing gives CCSD 15 full control so it's better for the kids. In-House bussing has all the State and local tax monies stay at home instead of going to the UK so it's better for OUR economy. In-House bussing is district employees so they receve benefits like all district employees so it's better for the employees. UNION employees have a contract so there are policies and procedures that make day to day decisions standard for all employees so it's better for the employees.

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Vicki Wilson

3:57 pm on Friday, March 29, 2013

I don't know how many people read these comments, but mine is directed to those of you out there who do and may have some confusion about what you are reading here and/or hearing in the community.

As we all know, a Board of Education's purpose is to represent the entire community, not just a select few and not just the employee groups. Their job is to make sure the money is spent wisely, that contracts are negotiated and not just handed out Cook-county style.

A BOE is supposed to be made up of 7 independent thinkers who have no particular agenda, who may agree or disagree on each issue, but who show up to discuss/debate the issues, do not show up to be a rubber stamp for the Administration, and who REALLY put the kids first (in action, not just words).

It's been a long and tiring battle over the years to get to that point here in Palatine. It's not like this in every town but it is here. Lucky us.

When we have folks with a financial motivation, they often will say or do anything to preserve their economic interest. It's human nature.

If anyone out there is confused, please feel free to email me directly at: vicki_wilson1@hotmail.com. If you would rather speak by phone, just email me and I will call you back. I have absolutely no motivation, financial or otherwise. I am just a mom and a believer in the IDEA of an independent BOE who does their job properly.

Thanks,
Vicki Wilson
vicki_wilson1@hotmail.com

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Stephen Bramer

5:23 pm on Friday, March 29, 2013

Vicki: Union busing is cheaper for taxpayers and better for kids. (as Mr. Baker said above). I do credit you for your passion around these subjects, and for your willingness to put yourself out there for something you believe in (which takes courage). But, the fact remains that ... in this case ... the union solution is best for all concerned. The candidates who support the union, also helped architect the current teacher's contract, which much more favors the district and taxpayers than did the previous contract. So the values and standards you espouse should lead you to support the DTU and the candidates who recognize its value.

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Vicki Wilson

6:23 pm on Friday, March 29, 2013

Feel free to email me with your phone number Stephen so we can have a discussion that encompasses the entire community and the education of the community's children.

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Stephen Bramer

6:49 pm on Friday, March 29, 2013

Vicki: You shouldn't be putting personal information on the Internet. It's really kind of a dangerous thing to do. The more info you put out there, the more at risk you become, even if you release the information in different places. Predators can find, piece together, and use that info. We've exposed ourselves already just using our real names. If you think you are being brave for yourself, consider that the risk you take on for yourself might also put people around you at risk. I'm sorry, I know that's off topic - but I felt obliged (as sort of a neighbor) to offer that warning. You would probably be smart to drop that email account and create a new one. I'm not going to send any of my info to that email address because the whole world knows it now.

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Stephen Bramer

6:51 pm on Friday, March 29, 2013

Vicki - At any rate, I'm happy enough to keep these conversations online.

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Vicki Wilson

9:34 pm on Friday, March 29, 2013

Perhaps you are unaware the vast amount of information available on the internet. The only downside to putting my email address (something many people and companies already have) on a thread on the Patch is getting additional spam. That is a risk I am more than willing to take if even one person reaches out for additional unbiased information. The upside outweighs the downside.

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Stephen Bramer

8:35 am on Saturday, March 30, 2013

It's obviously your choice Vicki. I'd only say, think of what you can do with public search engines alone. Then think what programming knowledge might allow beyond that. It's not necessarily any one bit of data. It's also how they can be pieced together.

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G Baker

9:06 am on Saturday, March 30, 2013

Union busing: Proven cheaper for taxpayers, better for kids.

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John Parker

11:08 am on Sunday, April 21, 2013

The New York City school bus strike is now in its third day – pitting the union’s concerns over job security and bus safety against the city’s need to bring down bus costs that are the highest in the nation. About 152,000 students – 11 percent of public school students in New York – rely on school buses, which cover 7,700 routes. Forty percent of the buses were running Wednesday, the city said, because they are not driven by members of the striking Amalgamated Transit Union Local 1181.

The public school bus union mess posted above will never happen here. After all Illinois is in great shape financially. Have we become so soft that we can't drive our own kids to school? In my opinion public sector unions are a waste. The private sector is the only way we can expand the economy. Big government is not in the best interest of anyone except liberal progressives.

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Cheryl

1:55 pm on Sunday, April 21, 2013

John, as I have said before, not all parents in District 15 have the cars to drive their kids to school. We have many low income children that attend our schools who need the buses to transport them. There could also be parents who can't afford 2 cars while 1 uses the car to go to work. Would you like to go pick all these kids up in your private vehicle and bring them to school? Thought not! District 15 bus drivers have a clause in their contract that they can not strike. It's there for exactly the reason you stated above. They (we) want to bring the kids to school. That's where they belong. That's our job!

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D B L D

5:00 pm on Sunday, April 21, 2013

John you need to read the New York strike closer.
THESE ARE PRIVATE SECTOR UNION DRIVERS on strike in New York
In your comment you sarcasticly say....
"will never happen here. After all Illinois is in great shape financially." but CCSD 15 is relying on state reimbursements for their COST SAVINGS

Stephen Bramer

2:17 pm on Sunday, April 21, 2013

John: Do you understand what a no-strike clause is?

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John Parker

4:03 pm on Sunday, April 21, 2013

Steve, your silly comments waste everyone's time. Do you understand that not everything is about you or your wife' s job?

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Bucephalus

7:24 pm on Sunday, April 21, 2013

John: Do you understand what a no-strike clause is?

John Parker

6:44 pm on Sunday, April 21, 2013

The January 2013 jobs report contained good news on several fronts for Gov. Scott Walker when it comes to measuring his top campaign promise -- that the state would create 250,000 private sector jobs by the end of his four year term.
We need a Scott Walker in Illinois.

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Stephen Bramer

8:20 am on Monday, April 22, 2013

Taking a page from John Parker's book, I thought I'd cut and paste some information. But as a radical departure from John's MO I thought I'd credit the original link, and actually read the content.

Promising jobs is not the same as delivering them. Job creation has dropped under Scott Walker. Someone like him is the last thing Illinois needs.

http://chippewa.com/wisconsin-falls-to-th-nationally-in-private-sector-job-growth/article_ff948b22-2269-58eb-a5ac-6244f0b971e6.html

March 29, 2013 5:40 am • MARY SPICUZZA | Wisconsin State Journal

Wisconsin dropped to 44th in the nation when it comes to creating private-sector jobs and is lagging behind other Midwestern states in job growth, the latest federal data released Thursday show.

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John Parker

5:57 pm on Tuesday, April 23, 2013

(the union agrees not to go on strike while the contract is in effect)

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Stephen Bramer

6:35 pm on Tuesday, April 23, 2013

Very good. Now try to factor that into your anti-union rants.

John Parker

6:15 pm on Tuesday, April 23, 2013

Steve, more left wing liberal progressive babble? Huh, how unlike you.

January report contains good news for governor:
The January 2013 jobs report contained good news on several fronts for Gov. Scott Walker when it comes to measuring his top campaign promise -- that the state would create 250,000 private sector jobs by the end of his four year term.
-- The report, issued March 14, 2013, said preliminary estimates showed the state added 12,400 private sector jobs in January 2013.

Steve, You and your progressive liberal friends have as much credibility as Norman Bates discussing family values.

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Stephen Bramer

6:33 pm on Tuesday, April 23, 2013

Except, unfortunately, 44 states are adding jobs even faster.

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